Dejstvo je, da naša policija in sodstvo mižijo pred kaznivimi dejanji Romov, pardon, vsemogočih barab, amnjših in velikih. Recimo pobiranje mesečne "varščine" po 5 tisočakov in to od ostarelih vdov. Res je tudi, da jim kaj dosti ne morejo, avto brez tablic jim lahko zaplenijo, a bo taisti Rom že naslednji dan imel lahko 2 boljša avta in to zastonj - žal mu bo samo zaradi morebitnega polnega tanka in morda dobrih gum. Kazni jim nimajo kako izterjati, edino striktno zapiranje še ostane. Sploh je pa pri nas varnost kaj malo vredna, kdo pa zaščiti otroka, če mu vrstniki grozijo, pa to ni tako nedolžno dejanje, ima lahko odločilen vpliv na otrokov razvoj. Skratka državo figo briga kaj nasilneži počnejo z nami, dokler ne teče kri in to barabe zlo dobro izkoriščajo.

Sori ampak spet se mi v podstrešju mota misel, da je vredno edino življenje in z njim povezano fizično telo, človek (kar njegova psiha in dostojanstvo je) pa vsem dol visi in dokler bo tako, bo vse odvisno od morale ljudi, ki jim ne dopušča izvajati nasilje nad sodržavljani, država pa je pri tem pišmeuhovska. In to tudi zaradi svetosti življenja namesto svetosti človeka. Vsaj nekateri Romi imajo moralna načela precej drugačna, zato konflikti z okolico.

ROMI - Roma people

http://www.answers.com/topic/roma-people

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761568856/Roma_(people).html

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/60/index-fc.html

We are roma and not gypsies

by Zana Russell on June 8, 1998
http://www.peak.sfu.ca/the-peak/98-2/issue6/feature.html
Close your eyes and envision a "Gypsy". What did your subjective mind conjure up? Was it consistent with the present day myth that portrays the Roma as earringed, dark men riding horses alongside a caravan strung with pots and pans, women and dirty-faced children whose laughter echoes through the valleys, villages, and towns of which these exotic and mysterious people travel? Can't you just hear the violins playing in the background? That's probably what you think of and, in all honesty, who can blame you? The "eyes" through which we view the world is a manufactured perspective that serves only one force within society: the dominant one. A dominant force that includes assimilation, stereotyping, labeling, and most of all, its own perpetuation. A faceless, dominating force that devalues the rich heritage found within each ethnicity contributes to the composition of peoples referred to as Canadians. A home for those with enough courage to share their space with people whose views may not parallel their own; a home for the lovers of freedom.

RECENTLY, I STUMBLED onto something extraordinary. During my morning ritual of caffeine and nicotine at a local diner, I came across an announcement that a Roma symposium was to be held that very same day.

At first a chill ran down my spine, and then I became quite giddy with excitement. I rearranged my day so that I could get downtown to this historical event where I sat amongst at least two hundred people whose ethnicity was as diverse as this great nation's. There were more Roma people present at this symposium than I had ever witnessed under one roof. I am also a Romy (a female Roma) from Prague who escaped the Communists during the political upheaval that took place in 1968.

My family and I came to Canada as Czech citizens seeking political asylum, as did thousands of others who had also feared the worst, and have now been a citizen of this country for over 24 years. Not once, however, had I been given the opportunity to embrace my ethnic background-the result of the continuing stream of hideous lies and myths that have followed the Roma since at least the eleventh century when we were labeled "Gypsies". A label that connotes stereotypical images and behaviors, the "Gypsy" is embedded in worldwide mass culture and has kept the true identity of the Roma people hidden, like some dark and evil secret, from the Gadje (non-Roma people) for the fear of racism and persecution.

Not only is the word "Gypsy" a derogatory term to the Roma, but it is also an emblem of sorts, similar to the yellow star of Israel that was placed upon the Jews by the fascist in an attempt to shame the wearers. The term "Gypsy" not only serves to stigmatize the Roma, but also perpetuates their marginalization on a grand scale. However, it fails to denote the fact that the Roma have also contributed to the societies in which they have resided, despite the fact they have been forced to deny their own identity. My uncle for example, teaches at Charles University in Prague, as opposed to breeding horses or stealing chickens, and I have been employed as a department store private investigator, as opposed to shoplifting my wardrobe.

So, as the process of religious assimilation was enforced systematically throughout Europe during the eleventh century, the free-spirited Roma resisted the institutionalized religion of their day-since to agree with the non-Romas on the issue of God would have been similar to spitting on one's own mother. The God of the Roma was quite different from the one proposed by the organized universal 'church' body. The God that the Roma worshipped then, and today, does not force his or her children to walk a certain way, talk a certain way, or even pray a certain way, but rather, the God of the Roma people is cause for sheer celebration since she or he loves everyone without reason. So, due to the Roma resistance against religious enforcement and imposed assimilation put forth by the reigning clergy of the eleventh century, the Roma were rendered "Gypsies". A shortened form of the original word used to plague the Roma people: "Egyptian", which, when read spiritually, means unclean. This is the fundamental reason why the Roma people find the word "Gypsy" derogatory and extremely offensive. Also, in modern times, the word "gypped" has also been derived from the original label or 'emblem' that was placed upon the Roma.

AT THE MAY 26 SYMPOSIUM where the women of the Coast Salish were also welcomed to publicly worship God through the art of the Siem singers and the Ay Ay Mut dancers, Mr. Ronald Lee, the delegate of the International Romani Union of Canada, spoke eloquently both about the history of the Roma, and the present-day political/social climate in Europe that has prompted the recent migration of the Roma to Canada. There definitely appears to be a resurgent and blatant hostility toward the Roma people in countries like the Czech Republic and Hungary. The May 27 issue of The Globe & Mail reports that the Roma "have been assaulted by skinheads, chased out of their homes when they moved into non-Roma neighborhoods, and harassed by police." Within this same article, Mr. Ronald Lee also states that only a "few Roma can afford to come to North America" in order to find relief from the violence of racism.

And while my reactions to the atrocities that Lee talked about are could be characterized as indignation and outrage, I also felt a sense of hope. Here was the delegate of the International Romani Union of Canada speaking with distinct passion and concern for the Roma in a country where there is genuine concern for the disenfranchised and alienated-a point which became evident when questions were opened up to the floor. I saw concerned Canadians standing up to find out how they could assist the persecuted Roma that had managed to migrate to Canada, and also, how they could better educate themselves about the Roma peoples in general. Two of the books suggested by Mr. Lee which went beyond the myth of the "Gypsy were Goddamn Gypsy, his own autobiography, and Ian Hancocks' The Pariah Syndrome.

MR. LEE ALSO SPOKE OF the rights and freedoms that have been achieved by concerned Roma and non-Roma advocates for the Wandering Nation's plight. At the symposium I learned a vast number of facts that had somehow been kept from me and the other Roma that filled the McGill Theatre. For instance, since 1979 the Roma have been recognized as an authentic people, with rights to language and culture, by the United Nations. It was in 1979 when the International Romani Union was granted NGO status. The NGO serves as an umbrella organization which represents national Roma organizations at various UN bodies and committees, and has consultative status with the UN. Also, as of 1971, the Roma people now have both a national flag and an anthem called 'Djelme, Djelme', or 'I have traveled, I have traveled', which I heard for the first time on this memorable night. Needless to say, the experience of being 'open' as a Romy and amongst other members of my people in a setting filled with concern over the plight of the Roma was life-changing and inspiring.

THE HOPE AND courage that all the participants of the "beyond the Myth" symposium displaced that evening gave me the courage and hope that I had almost thought was inappropriate for a Romy who has practically assimilated entirely into Canadian society. I do not speak the Mother Tongue(which is how some historians refer to the language of the Roma peoples), yet I understand it fully; as I do not have a single Romani friend outside of my immediate family. I also commend the Coast Salish women who had given those present the privilege of experiencing the power of their spirituality which not only demonstrated their deep passion for the Creator, but also contributed to a serious yet joyous evening. An evening that celebrated the survival of the Roma, the spirituality of the Coast Salish, Aboriginal women, and an evening where a theatre of a couple of hundred people shared the same heart in regards to the ongoing plight of the Wandering Nation: the Roma,

DUE TO MY resurgent hope, I have started the first "Roma People Awareness" Club ever to be found on a university campus in Canada. Membership, of course, is open to anyone, regardless of ethnicity or religion; with the club's primary intent being not only to remember the Roma who have been persecuted and murdered by the dominant force of societies throughout the centuries(like during the Holocaust where two million Roma were murdered within their own death camps), but also to keep interested and concerned individuals up to date on the state of the Roma worldwide. The very presence of a Roma club will assist in the prevention, I believe, of people like me from hesitating or being somehow ashamed or afraid of saying "I am a member of the Roma people." If you are interested in becoming part of the Roma People Awareness Club, you can drop me a line via the internet. My email address is zrussell@sfu.ca.

t wrote on 05.11.2006 at 21:24:29:


To je bistvo.

Ker, tako kot so nekateri zdaj planili v obrambo Romom, bi lahko sklepali, da so Romi vsi do zadnjega 100 % pošteni in da je nemogoče, da se med njimi najde kak tat ali nasilnež.

V Prekmurju imajo svoje naselje in tam ni nobenih težav . Zakaj le, ali so Prekmurci toliko tolerantnejši ali pa so tamkajšnji Romi drugačni, torej, znajo živeti pošteno in v sožitju z drugimi?

gape wrote on 06.11.2006 at 09:35:35:


To je v danem primeru nerelevantno - kriminalc je kriminalc: očitno se ljudje iz Ambrusa počutijo od teh kriminalcev ogroženi in očitno država ni naredila dovolj, da bi jih pred njimi zaščitila.

To da obstajajo hujši kriminalci, ne upravičuje tolerance manjših kriminalcev!


gape wrote on 06.11.2006 at 09:35:35:


Nekoliko zgodovine in dejstev.

Ciganski slovenček je bil v zaporu 5 let, ciganski šef pa 8 let...

Napad se je zgodil zato, ker je prej ta krajan zalotil enega cigana in slovenčka, kako sta mu vdirala v hišo, ju pregnal in poklical policijo.

Napad so izvedli dotični slovenček in 3 cigani, tako, da so postavili barikado, poleg napadenega je bil v avtu tudi njegov sin, na katerega so celo streljali, vendar pa mu je uspelo pobegniti. Tu se lepo vidi tudi natančnost poročanja medijev in seveda ravnanje našega sodstva ter policije, saj razen ciganskega slovenčka niso prijeli nikorgar drugega, pa tudi njega je preiskovalna sodnica spustila... (primerjaj recimo s primerom Petek in razmisli o načinu kako se obravnavata dva precej podobna primera)

t wrote on 05.11.2006 at 21:24:29:


Seveda sem tudi jaz kriminalec (vsi mi smo): vedno ko ne upoštevam omejitev hitrosti ali ko imam pri sebi za špinel... Vendar bom jaz za razliko od ciganov za to takoj krepko plačal, poleg tega pa ne kradem ljudem okrog mene, jim ne grozim, jih ne ropam, ne postavljam črnih gradenj in v okolici mojega teritorija, ki se slučajno nahaja na vodovarstvenem območju, ne leži 80 starih avtomobilov.

t wrote on 05.11.2006 at 21:24:29:


Isto bi lahko rekel tudi za cigane - tudi oni lahko zamenjajo okolico, če jih je strah: glede na to, da jih je manj, in da so po naravi nomadi, bi bilo takšno sprejemanje zanje nekaj resnično preprostega.



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Nestrpnost folka do šibkejših  ni tolk odvisna od splošne totalitarnosti oblasti kot  od pričakovanja folka, da bo po pri  oblasti deležen posebne milosti/odpustka v zameno za  (demokratično!) izraženo podporo tej  oblasti. Ni naključje, da so takšen račun oblasti izstavili ravno ambruški  jurišniki, ki se po moje ne razlikujejo  dosti od juriša dobropoljskega blatnika na  žito in mlinotest s pomočjo  ribniškega lovšina, ki je kot jurišnik grosupeljske naveze že pred časom naskočil intereuropo, vsem skupaj pa itak daje svetal zgled kočevski jurišnik krkovič, ki je bil  za zasluge na naskok nad jna poplačan s privatno vojsko (ris), ki zna v obliki falange ponovno kot ptič feniks nekoč vzniknit iz depaljevaškega pepela.      

gape wrote on 06.11.2006 at 15:19:55:



Ravno to sem hotel povedat - ko si že omenjal za tistga slovenca, da je bil 5 let u arestu, ta šef cigotov, ta je bil prej 8 let: če po tem merimo, koliko je kdo kriminalec, je ta cigo še vedno večji kriminalec (ima pač narejenih 8 let arestantske fakultete)...


Se mi zdi napaka, da se je zdaj vse skupaj reduciralo na kao ciganska posla: se mi zdi vse res samo politično napihovanje in samoupravičevanje raznih militantnih tolerantnežev, ki nima nobene veze z dejansko situacijo (kriminalci in do njih (še vedno) ultra tolerantni državni represivni organi).

Če se osredotočimo na pravno državo, bi korekten postopek moral izgledati nekako takole (če za izhodiščno točko vzamemo spontano ljudsko vstajo):
1. s solzilcem in vodnimi topovi razgnati razjarjen narod;
2. poloviti in pozapreti vse napadalce in izsiljevalce;
3. na stroške Ciganov porušiti vse, kar je nelegalno postavljenega (glede na to, da imajo zemljo, bi to zagotovo lahko storili);
4. socialna bi morala primerno poskrbeti za ciganske otroke.

Me resnično zanima, kako bi šele potem cvilili razni samooklicani "borci za pravice"?


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Kdor ne sprevidi, da se policija, ki izvaja tovrstne deportacije, spreminja v fašistično falango, naj ne joka pol,  ko bo zarad svoje drugačnosti kriminaliziran tud sam in  deportiran s svojimi otroci vred. Hanžek je plačan za to, da to pove javno in na glas, pa če ne naredi čist nč drugega.

Cigani so zarad svojega načina življenja ena najbolj ranljivih družebnih skupin. Dejstvo je, da živijo na robu legalnosti (pravzaprav živijo od tega roba) in da s tem tud drugim držijo odprt prostor na tem robu. Skoz celo  zgodovino tako nudijo zatočišče klasičnim bohemom (bohem je v bistvu francoski izraz za cigana) kot drugim  odpadnikom  in celo klasičnim kriminalcem, ki bi si tega prostora na robu, v katerem bi se dalo preživet,  ne bi blli sposobni sami ustvarit. Družba, ki v ciganih vidi samo kriminalce, ki bi jih blo potrebno pobit in izgnat, zgubi vsak čut za  solidarnost do ranljivih skupin tud znotraj svoje skupnosti: invalidov, bolnih, brezdomcev, otrok, starcev in tko naprej do vseh revnih tja do idelanega srednjega sloja, v katerega se hočjo vsi ugužvat in katerega  se za ceno tujega (in glede na veliko samomorilnost tudi lastnega) življenja ne sme z nihčemer ogrožat.