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Reply #45 - 23.03.2003 at 17:50:11
 
Kali, v mislih sem imel sam center mesta. Tam se ponavadi nahajo le golobi. Vrane pa so zelo poredke. Smiley
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Reply #46 - 23.03.2003 at 23:27:38
 
Wrong!
Na lastne oči videla vrano v samem centru Lj.  Smiley
Poleg golobov je v centru še veliko drugih ptic. Baje smo ena redkih držav na svetu, ki imamo veliko število vrst ptic v samem mestu. (čez 30)
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Reply #47 - 23.03.2003 at 23:38:20
 
Petra. wrote on 23.03.2003 at 23:27:38:
Na lastne oči videla vrano v samem centru Lj.  Smiley

Jaz sem že videl psa, mačka, pa še kaj bi se našlo. Kul ne, pravi živalski vrt imamo po naših mestih. Wink
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Reply #48 - 12.05.2003 at 16:10:41
 
Hejla,

zanima me, če kdo ve, kakšne pomene nosita volk in bizon?  Zadnje čase namreč vedno, ko zaprem oči vidim živalske oči, ki me gledajo... Sem pa enkrat videla, da je to volk. Nimam prav nobenega strahu pred njim, mu popolnoma zaupam...
Prijateljica pa mi je ravno danes rekla, da je imela tudi sama vizijo volka, ki je hodil za njo in mu je popolnoma zaupala, medtem ko je sama vodila bizona, za katerega je rekla, da je imela feeling, da mora hoditi z njim...
Zna to kdo mal bolj razložit?

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Reply #49 - 12.05.2003 at 18:25:04
 
Wolf's Wisdom Includes:
Facing the end of one's cycle with dignity and courage
Death and rebirth
Spirit teaching
Guidance in dreams and meditations
Instinct linked with intelligence
Social and familial values
Outwitting enemies
Ability to pass unseen
Steadfastness
Skill in protection of self and family
Taking advantage of change
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Reply #50 - 12.05.2003 at 18:25:41
 
Vrane so sicer zelo pomembne v nekaterih mitologijah ameriških indijancev. Če sprašuješ v povezavi s tem, se v teh mitologijah pogosto pojavlja kojot, ki je kolikor toliko podoben volku. Slednji pa je poln trikov (ga imenujejo tudi the Trickster), ki je znan kot prevarant, hudomušnež, znanilec sprememb.  Predvsem v tvojem pogledu na svet. Nekdo, ki prekrši vsa pravila in te postavi pred nove izzive.

Bizon, kot pomemben vir hrane, pa je bil nekaj, čemur je bilo ne samo dobro, ampak je bilo kar treba sledit, saj je za indijance predstavljal osnovo njihove ekonomije.

V naših krajih so bili volkovi predstavljali vse največje in življenje ogrožajoče strahove in nevarnosti. Vrane in krokarji pa so pri nas bili znanilci smrti. Bizonov v naših krajih ni, tako da tudi v mitih ne nastopajo.
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Reply #51 - 13.05.2003 at 10:38:51
 
Super, hvala za te odgovore...

Vidim, da je volk prav fajn zaščitnik:)  Smiley

A se je kdo že spoznal s svojim zaščitnikom? Se z njim pogovarjal ali kaj podobnega?

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Reply #53 - 12.05.2004 at 13:20:06
 
sem danes našla mlado vrano, ki je padla z gnezda....je bla že kar velika, pa kljub temu še ne zna leteti...ko sems e je dotaknila, da bi jo prestavila na kako vuišjo vejo, je mal zapiskala in so priletele mame pa ateki njeni...čist so divji, tako čuvajo mladiča...so začeli me nizko preletavati in napadat moje pse...lol nč sm peljala pse domov, šla po škatlo da bi jo spedenala...ko sem prišla je blo tam že kakih 10 odrasalih vran, ki čuvajo mladiča...prišla sm pol do tega, da nič...da naj se zgodi kar se mora....ima mala že dobre čuvaje in upam in nameravam, da jo bodo uspešno pedenale teh par dni, da se nauči leteti....sm jo sam zbezala v grmovje, da ne teka ravno po asfaltriranem parkirišču...

poškodovana pa ni, mala, tako da sem storila kar sem lahko storila....sem na lastni koži opazila, da tisti, ki bo mali kaj hotel narest, da se bo moral hudo, hudo paziti odličnih odraslih čuvajev...neverjetno kako cela jata poskrbi za enega malega... Ljudje se mamo še kaj za naučit klele od njih... Smiley
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Reply #54 - 12.05.2004 at 21:11:13
 
nameravam dojet sporočilo , ker mi je obvoznici, na poti domov, pri 140 km/h pred avto, čist počasi in nizko nad mano preletela ,  uganite kdo: lol...VRANA....sem mogla kar mal pobremzat, ker nism bla ziher da je ne bi zadela...

(sicer pomen vran je itak znan), tko da si še 1x pogledam kaj smo do sedaj ugotovili:

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Brusli, prvi tole: že stari narodi so vedl da vrana prinaša smrt kadar pride jata diretisimo nad tabo al pa sede k drevesu. Al je to smrt v bližini al pa gre za spremembo- simbolična smrt nečesa- pri castanedi je vrana neke vrste trademark za čarovnika ker se vanjo spreminja .  ,

šamani pravijo tole: Crow - Crow, the keeper of spiritual law, likes to steal shiny bright objects. Always the clown, he looks for ways to amuse himself. We too need to look for the bright and shiny aspects of life even in the 'junkpile." Like crow we need to see the connection between past, present, and future.  
Crow is a little cocky because he knows who he is. Honor spiritual truth and you will know true power as well. Crow is a shapeshifter who can teach us that we can be anything we desire, and he often serves as an omen of powerful change.


drugi šamani tole: Crow/Rook's Wisdom Includes:  




Guardian of the place before existence  

Ability to move in space and time  

Honoring ancestors  

Carrier of souls from darkness into light  

Working without fear in darkness  

Guidance while working in shadow  

Moves freely in the void  

Understands all things related to ethics  

Shapeshifter  


Tula piše tole: DOSTI VRAN, PA ŠE ENA VERZIJA.
V INDIJSKI ASTROLOGIJI YJOTISH JE VRANA SATURNOV GLASNIK, SATURN/ŠANI/ PA PLANET, KI NAS ZLEPAALI ZGRDA SILI V SAMORAZVOJ, POGLED NAVZNOTER,PREOBRAZBO, ČE NOČEMO TUDI S TEM, DA NAM VSE VZAME,LAHKO TUDI ŽIVLJENJE,JE NAŠ STROGI, KRUTI UČITELJ.
OD NAS ZAVISI, ČE MU SLEDIMO ALI SE MU UPIRAMO.
VLADA 3X PO 7 LET, KI SO ZA NAS NAPORNA, KDAJ JE TO V ŽIVLJENJU ZAVISI OD POLOŽAJA OB ROJSTVU.
SAMO NA KRATKO, DA BOSTE POGLEDALI VASE IN SE ZAMISLILI, KO BO SREČANJE Z GLASNIKOM-VRANO "NENAVADNO".


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aha, še več sprememb...uh, ker itak sm u fazi sprememb že od unih prvih stikov z vranami... se prav, še večje spremembe...OK, se prepuščam in se pustim presenetit

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Reply #55 - 14.05.2004 at 09:07:05
 
Petra. wrote on 12.05.2004 at 21:11:13:
aha, še več sprememb...uh, ker itak sm u fazi sprememb že od unih prvih stikov z vranami... se prav, še večje spremembe...OK, se prepuščam in se pustim presenetit

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Reply #56 - 14.05.2004 at 09:46:34
 
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V INDIJSKI ASTROLOGIJI YJOTISH JE VRANA SATURNOV GLASNIK, SATURN/ŠANI/ PA PLANET, KI NAS ZLEPAALI ZGRDA SILI V SAMORAZVOJ, POGLED NAVZNOTER,PREOBRAZBO, ČE NOČEMO TUDI S TEM, DA NAM VSE VZAME,LAHKO TUDI ŽIVLJENJE,JE NAŠ STROGI, KRUTI UČITELJ.
OD NAS ZAVISI, ČE MU SLEDIMO ALI SE MU UPIRAMO.
VLADA 3X PO 7 LET, KI SO ZA NAS NAPORNA, KDAJ JE TO V ŽIVLJENJU ZAVISI OD POLOŽAJA OB ROJSTVU.
SAMO NA KRATKO, DA BOSTE POGLEDALI VASE IN SE ZAMISLILI, KO BO SREČANJE Z GLASNIKOM-VRANO "NENAVADNO".
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Reply #57 - 14.05.2004 at 10:01:31
 
Kali, sej najbrz se se spomnes kaj vsebinsko pomen Hari (glede funkcije) in pol te nima vec kej skrbet. ukradeno ti bo sam tist kar v bistvu niti ne rabs in ti je le v velko breme. bolj ko se osvobodis tistega nepotrebnega bolj se ti avtomatsko odpre moznost necesa zate koristnega, Absolutno koristnega.

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Reply #58 - 14.05.2004 at 12:39:18
 
Ko se odgovori začnejo kar sami "naključno" ponujat....>Sem zvečer (ravno berem Vodnik po 10 spoznanju) naletela na odlomek o pomenu živali in glej ga zlomka, odlomek o pomenu vran...Bom kasneje natipkala....
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Reply #59 - 16.05.2004 at 16:59:04
 
The Crow

Crows are very vocal birds.  They are sly and often deceptive in their actions. Crows have been known to build false nests high in treetops to confuse predators.  The height of their nests give them the opportunity to watch everything that is going on around them.  Many cultures think of crow as the keeper of knowledge for nothing escapes their keen sight.

Crows travel in groups and make mischief in teams.  As one crow explores something new, others will watch closely to see what happens and then learn from it.  In this way they seem to always be in council with each other. They often raise a ruckus when hunters are around, warning deer and other birds.  Crows recognize possible danger and always post lookouts when feeding---thier most vulnerable time.

Their language is complex and they have a remarkable voice range.  Each caw has its own meaning.  Sometimes crow warns of impending danger.  Other times it signals a time to join in council and make decisions.   Listening to crow can teach those with this medicine how to hear the truth of what is being said.

The striking black color of crow represents the color of creation.  It is the womb out of which the new is born.  Black the color of night gives birth to the light of a new day.  Crow is a daytime bird reminding us that magic and creation are present in both.  Their ability to shift between the known and unknown world indicates new journeys.

Because crow is adaptable to all environments and will eat almost anything they can survive in almost any situation.   Crow is associated with magic, unseen forces and spiritual strength.  If crow flies into your life, get out of your familiar nest, look beyond your present range of vision, listen to its caw and act accordingly.


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