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Re: Konoplja
Reply #345 - 17.07.2011 at 15:39:16
 
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Na severu Indije, pred Himalajo, marihuana raste povsod. Celo pred vhodom v policijsko postajo.

Mislim, da tudi sama kultura in odnos ljudi do samih stvari, določa kako se bo neka zadeva uporabljala.

Indijci so bolj usmerjeni in navajeni skromnosti. Naša zahodna potrošniška družba pa kar hlepi po potratnostih in zlorabah. Saj je že sistem in samo prepričanje ljudi takšno, da je treba trošiti čimveč, da bo koristno za družbo.
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Re: Konoplja
Reply #346 - 17.07.2011 at 16:10:50
 
Robi wrote on 17.07.2011 at 15:39:16:
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Na severu Indije, pred Himalajo, marihuana raste povsod. Celo pred vhodom v policijsko postajo.

Mislim, da tudi sama kultura in odnos ljudi do samih stvari, določa kako se bo neka zadeva uporabljala.

Indijci so bolj usmerjeni in navajeni skromnosti. Naša zahodna potrošniška družba pa kar hlepi po potratnostih in zlorabah. Saj je že sistem in samo prepričanje ljudi takšno, da je treba trošiti čimveč, da bo koristno za družbo.

Ne ga srat. Ljudje so, kot mi.
Navajeni skromnosti? Druzga jim ne preostane, kaj pa čjo. Ljudje niso skromni, ampak revni. Navadna revščina je. Ne ti tumbat o nekih čudnih teorijah.
Tako je, marihuana je, kot pri nas alkohol. Alko je za njih predrag, so revni. Marihuana pa ni nadomestilo za alkohol, kot eni nhočejo prepričat. Marihuana je zel, ki v bistvu lahko zdravi in je koristna za razne pripomočke.

Ne vem kje v Slo ti živiš, ampak kolikor jaz poznam je bila velika revščina pri nas nedolgo nazaj. Al pa pejt malo v Makedonijo, tam so tudi po tvoje "skromni zaradi kulture" in nev revni. Imajo pa opij. Greš na vas in ga komot kupiš kako kilo. Imajo ga namreč stare babnce, da si lajšajo revmo. In je 100%, heroin se lahko skrije. Pav Makedonci nimajo takšnega problema z odvisniki.

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Re: Konoplja
Reply #347 - 18.07.2011 at 10:18:44
 
ja no sej ...
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mi se pa kle bockamo okol konoplje ...


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Ten Years Ago Portugal Legalized All Drugs -- What Happened Next?

When the nation legalized all drugs within its borders, most critics predicted disaster.
But a decade later, drug use has plunged dramatically.

The government in Portugal has no plans to back down. Although the Netherlands is the European country most associated with liberal drug laws, it has already been ten years since Portugal became the first European nation to take the brave step of decriminalizing possession of all drugs within its borders—from marijuana to heroin, and everything in between. This controversial move went into effect in June of 2001, in response to the country’s spiraling HIV/AIDS statistics. While many critics in the poor and largely conservative country attacked the sea change in drug policy, fearing it would lead to drug tourism while simultaneously worsening the country’s already shockingly high rate of hard drug use, a report published in 2009 by the Cato Institute tells a different story.

http://www.alternet.org/story/151635/ten_years_ago_portugal_legalized_all_drugs_...


ta to je težko se pozanimat unim kmetom konjem bebcem na ministrstvu?
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Re: Konoplja
Reply #348 - 18.07.2011 at 10:30:20
 
To je povsem normalen odziv ljudstva.

Ma kakšni kmetje neki, so navadni bebavi birokrati, ki se spogledujejo z razmišljanjem bebavih kmetov, ki se za kmete imajo z manj kot 5 ha zemlje. Včasih se je takim pravilo kočarji, ne pa kmetje.

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Reply #349 - 18.07.2011 at 10:42:51
 
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To je povsem normalen odziv ljudstva.

Ma kakšni kmetje neki, so navadni bebavi birokrati, ki se spogledujejo z razmišljanjem bebavih kmetov, ki se za kmete imajo z manj kot 5 ha zemlje. Včasih se je takim pravilo kočarji, ne pa kmetje.

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Re: Konoplja
Reply #350 - 18.07.2011 at 10:56:48
 
Ja, tudi konji so od njih pametnejši.
Za te primerke  zato uporabljam besedo bebavost.
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Reply #351 - 18.07.2011 at 10:58:47
 
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Ja, tudi konji so od njih pametnejši.
Za te primerke  zato uporabljam besedo bebavost.

prow nism hotu bebca uporabt
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Re: Konoplja
Reply #352 - 18.07.2011 at 11:10:04
 
gape wrote on 18.07.2011 at 10:58:47:
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Ja, tudi konji so od njih pametnejši.
Za te primerke  zato uporabljam besedo bebavost.

prow nism hotu bebca uporabt
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S tem imenovanjem nisi nič falil.
To je mednarodna oznaka za te birokratske patrone, ki so osvojili državne organe. Bolezen, ki se razširja kot rak in ima strokovno ime: bebavost.

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Re: Konoplja
Reply #353 - 18.07.2011 at 12:41:13
 
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gape wrote on 18.07.2011 at 10:58:47:
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Ja, tudi konji so od njih pametnejši.
Za te primerke  zato uporabljam besedo bebavost.

prow nism hotu bebca uporabt
pa sm ga
tebi na ljubo Tongue

S tem imenovanjem nisi nič falil.
To je mednarodna oznaka za te birokratske patrone, ki so osvojili državne organe. Bolezen, ki se razširja kot rak in ima strokovno ime: bebavost.

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Re: Konoplja
Reply #354 - 18.07.2011 at 16:05:57
 
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Ja, tudi konji so od njih pametnejši.
Za te primerke  zato uporabljam besedo bebavost.


dokler jeza vlada razumu napredek ni mogoč, ker ruši mir,nevtralizira ljubezen, vzbuja sovraštvo in proizvaja sovražnike (Jezus; ljubi svojev sovražnike).
Jeza se odraža na načine, kot so v: Žaljenju, obrekovanju, zahrbtnosti, grdem govorjenju, iskanju napak, prepirljivosti, razdraženosti, osornosti, godrnavosti, ljubosumnosti, zlonamernosti, razdraženosti, trdovratnosti, dvobojevanju, zasmehovanju, uničevalnem kritiziranju, zlonamerni ošabnosti, itd.

Kako je lahko potem dobra? Je ene od psihičnih bolezni.


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Re: Konoplja
Reply #355 - 18.07.2011 at 16:43:23
 
Kaj se pa sedaj postavljaš z mojimi citati in jih daješ v poduk?
Si jezen ali kaj?

Kot sem ti že povedal, jaz na bebavost ne zmorem biti jezen saj je to psihično obolenje. Naj bom sedaj jezen na bolezen, ki se v nekaterih razrašča in na njo nimam in ne morem imeti takšnega vpliva, da bi jo zdravil? To je pač bolezen določenega delovanja primerkov, ki so si izbrali takšno obliko življenja v bebavosti.

Lahko jim samo povem, da njihovo delovanje vodi v bebavost in jim podam tudi vzrok tega. Dlje od vzroka ne grem, ker še tega ne dojame.

Takšna je pač bebavost v tem prostoru in času.

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Re: Konoplja
Reply #356 - 19.07.2011 at 09:44:05
 
Tolaži se , prijatelj, tolaži se .... Grin
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Reply #357 - 19.07.2011 at 10:03:11
 
Prav imaš, človek res postane žalosten ko vidi takšne primerke v državni birokraciji. Večina se res tolaži, da bo po volitvah kaj bolje in se bo bebote razgnalo, jaz se ne. Tako pač je, bebavost je postala splošna norme in s tem sprejemljiva.

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Reply #358 - 19.07.2011 at 10:29:28
 
gape wrote on 18.07.2011 at 10:18:44:
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Quote:
Ten Years Ago Portugal Legalized All Drugs -- What Happened Next?

When the nation legalized all drugs within its borders, most critics predicted disaster.
But a decade later, drug use has plunged dramatically.

The government in Portugal has no plans to back down. Although the Netherlands is the European country most associated with liberal drug laws, it has already been ten years since Portugal became the first European nation to take the brave step of decriminalizing possession of all drugs within its borders—from marijuana to heroin, and everything in between. This controversial move went into effect in June of 2001, in response to the country’s spiraling HIV/AIDS statistics. While many critics in the poor and largely conservative country attacked the sea change in drug policy, fearing it would lead to drug tourism while simultaneously worsening the country’s already shockingly high rate of hard drug use, a report published in 2009 by the Cato Institute tells a different story.

http://www.alternet.org/story/151635/ten_years_ago_portugal_legalized_all_drugs_...


ta to je težko se pozanimat unim kmetom konjem bebcem na ministrstvu?
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kmetje konji bebci so se pozanimali. In ugotovili, da Greenvald (CATO Institute) dela isto kot vi; manuipulira s podatki. Zakaj? Možakar je iz podatkov portugalske inštitucije za droge (ne znam napisat portugalsko Embarrassed) vzel ven posamezne starostne skupine, seveda tiste, ki so kazale pozitiven (no, negativen) trend rasti števila zasvojencev. To je pa predvsem med mladostniki. Verjamem pa, da jim pada število HIV pozitivcev med odvisniki. Zakaj? Zato, ker imajo portugalci ureditev, ki pravi, da se posest drog v količini za deset dni uporabe šteje kot količina za osebno uporabo. In take ljudi se ne šteje za prekupčevalce (za njih je rezerviran kazenski postopek), se jih ne kaznuje denarno ali zaporno, temveč se jih napoti v center za svetovanje odvisnikom. Meni na tole pade na pamet samo ena beseda: STIGMATIZACIJA! In kakšen je rezultat take ureditve? CATOVA interpretacija je ena stran zgodebe, drugo bom pa prilimal izven tele osvežujoče modre (vir EMCDDA - http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/country-overviews/pt:
(označevanje z barvo je moje delo)

Drug use among the general population and young people

The first general population survey on drug use was conducted in Portugal in 2001. A sample of 15 000 individuals representative of the Portuguese population was surveyed. The results revealed that 7.8 % of respondents aged 15 to 64 had used an illegal drug at least once in their lives (lifetime prevalence). The most-reported substance in this context was cannabis (7.6 % lifetime prevalence). The use of other illegal substances was less frequently reported. Lifetime prevalence was less than 1 % for cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, amphetamines and LSD. Gender differences concerning illegal drugs experimentation were found for all substances. A higher proportion of males than females had used these substances at least once (11.5 % vs 3.9 % for cannabis, 1.2 % vs 0.2 % for heroin and 1.5 % vs 0.3 % for cocaine).
The second national survey, carried out among the general population in 2007, a sample of 12 202 individuals representative of the Portuguese population was surveyed. Results show that 12 % of respondents aged 15 to 64 had used an illegal drug at least once in their lives (lifetime prevalence). The most reported substance in this context was cannabis (11.7 % lifetime prevalence). Lifetime prevalence was less than 1 % for amphetamines, LSD and hallucinogenic mushrooms; for cocaine (1.9 %), heroin (1.1 %) and ecstasy (1.3 %). Gender differences concerning illegal drugs experimentation were found for all substances. A higher proportion of males than females had used these substances at least once (18.4 % vs 5.2 % for cannabis, 1.8 % vs 0.4 % for heroin and 3.2 % vs 0.7 % for cocaine).

Surveys among young people attending school are currently carried out in Portugal nearly every two years: the National School Survey (Inquérito Nacional em Meio Escolar — INME) in 2001 and 2006 (a former version of the national survey was done in 1989 and 1995); and the ESPAD international school survey every four years since 1995 (students born 16 years before the year of data collection). Also, the Health Behaviour in School-aged Children a survey promoted by the World Health Organization (HBSC/WHO) is repeated every four years in Portugal and targets young people in school settings (6th, 8th and 10th grades).

In 2006, results from national studies implemented in the context of school populations, HBSC and INME, reveal decreases in the consumption in this target population, respectively between 2002–06 and 2001–06, with cannabis being once more the drug with higher prevalence of use between these populations.

The ESPAD survey results of 2007 showed that the lifetime prevalence for cannabis use was 13 % (compared to 18 % in 2003, 12 % in 1999). As regard to other drugs, the lifetime prevalence for inhalants was 4 % (8 % in 2003, 3 % in 1999), for all other substances lifetime prevalence were below 2 %. Results indicated 10 % for the last year prevalence of cannabis use (13 % in 2003, 9 % in 1999), 6 % for the last month prevalence of cannabis (8 % in 2003, 5 % in 1999).

Toliko o tem strašnem zmanjšanju odvisnokov na Portugalskem ... In kolikor sem razumel, je v zakonu od rogah (tretji odstavek 33. člena) prav tako nastavek, da se odvisnike napoti v programe zdravljenja. Žal se to ne izvaja dosledno. In to je bilo vam kerlcem povedano več kot enkrat ...
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Re: Konoplja
Reply #359 - 19.07.2011 at 10:34:32
 
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Prav imaš, človek res postane žalosten ko vidi takšne primerke v državni birokraciji. Večina se res tolaži, da bo po volitvah kaj bolje in se bo bebote razgnalo, jaz se ne. Tako pač je, bebavost je postala splošna norme in s tem sprejemljiva.

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