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cepljenje je neučinkovito in nevarno
13.03.2006 at 09:23:25
 
Sem Damjan Likar, samostojni novinar, prijatelj in sodelavec Aloisa Kolarja v Klubu Naravnega Zdravja - Club of Natural Health.

V zadnjem času veliko pišem o škodljivosti cepljenja, ki ga močno odsvetuje
tudi Alois Kolar, praktik in svetovalec Naravnega Zdravja - Naravne Higiene.
O škodljivosti cepiv Alois piše tudi v brošurah Znanost Življenja in knjigi
Aids je ozdravljiv.

Ker mnogi še vedno ne razumejo oz. nočejo razumeti, da je cepljenje neučinkovito in nevarno, sem se odločil za malo večji projekt:

Rad bi zbral vsaj 200 izjav pogumnih staršev, ki niso cepili otroka oziroma je njihov otrok po cepljenju imel lažje ali hujše posledice. Ali ste mogoče to vi ali pa poznate koga od teh staršev?

Vsaka izjava staršev naj bo dolga največ 15 vrstic.
Pri pisanju si lahko pomagajo oz. pomagate z mojimi vprašanji:

1. Zakaj niste dali cepiti svojega otroka?
2. Kakšno je vaše mnenje o cepivih?
3. Ali poznate kakšnega otroka, ki je hudo zbolel ali celo umrl zaradi
cepljenja?
4. Ali menite, da je cepljenje zgolj biznis pod krinko humanosti?
5. Kako je z zdravjem vašega otroka? Poznate še kakšnega otroka, ki ni bil
cepljen, in je kljub temu vrhunsko zdrav?

Pod izjavo naj vsak starš napiše svoj ime in priimek in mesto bivanja. Če
tega ni, potem izjava ni verodostojna!

Izjave naj mi pošljejo na damjan.likar@siol.net ali sporočijo na 041 356 093

Če poznate še kakšne starše, ki niso cepili otroka oziroma je njihov otrok po cepljenju imel težave z zdravjem, jim tudi pošljite to obvestilo!

Vse zbrane izjave bom poslal na vse slovenske medije!
Izjave zbiram najkasneje do 31. marca!

Lep pozdrav!
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Re: cepljenje je neučinkovito in nevarno
Reply #1 - 13.03.2006 at 13:28:32
 
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Sem Damjan Likar, samostojni novinar, prijatelj in sodelavec Aloisa Kolarja v Klubu Naravnega Zdravja - Club of Natural Health.

V zadnjem času veliko pišem o škodljivosti cepljenja, ki ga močno odsvetuje
tudi Alois Kolar, praktik in svetovalec Naravnega Zdravja - Naravne Higiene.
O škodljivosti cepiv Alois piše tudi v brošurah Znanost Življenja in knjigi
Aids je ozdravljiv.


Aids je mogoče res ozdravljiv, neumnost pa očitno ne - to da si Kolarjev prijatelj pa ti zbije kredibilnost pod ničto točko.

In od kdaj so šarlatani in samostojni novinarji relevantni za cepljenje?



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Vsaka izjava staršev naj bo dolga največ 15 vrstic.
Pri pisanju si lahko pomagajo oz. pomagate z mojimi vprašanji:

1. Zakaj niste dali cepiti svojega otroka?


Najbrž zato, ker verjamejo neumnostim, katere širi Koloar in kompanija...


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2. Kakšno je vaše mnenje o cepivih?


Najbrž popolnoma zgrešeno in osnovano na psevdoznanstvenih trditvah, ki jih širijo šarlatani, kot je Kolar.

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3. Ali poznate kakšnega otroka, ki je hudo zbolel ali celo umrl zaradi
cepljenja?


Seceda, toda še več jih je, ki umrejo zaradi tega, ker niso bili cepljeni...

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4. Ali menite, da je cepljenje zgolj biznis pod krinko humanosti?


Cepljenje je tudi biznis, ki pa je temeljito zmanjšal smrtnost otrok in določene bolezni, zaradi katerih so včasih umirali tudi izkoreninil - česar šarlatani preprosto nočejo vedeti...

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5. Kako je z zdravjem vašega otroka? Poznate še kakšnega otroka, ki ni bil
cepljen, in je kljub temu vrhunsko zdrav?


Svoje vrhunsko zdravje dokazuje samo Kolar, ki pa si še vedno ni dal vbrizgati virusa HIV, da bi dokazal, kako bo potem čudežno ozdravel...


Bi predlagal neko drugo peticijo: da se v imenu humanosti spravi razne Kolarje v norišnice - kamor tudi sodijo, staršem, ki ne dajo svojih otrok na cepljenje, pa naj otroke socialna pobere in jih da v oskrbo drugim ljudem...



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Re: cepljenje je neučinkovito in nevarno
Reply #2 - 14.04.2006 at 07:56:00
 
podpisem pod t-ja. me pa tudi zanima tistih tauzenttrisodvaindevetdeset pricevanj starsev, ki jih je 'novinar' zbral do 31. marca. glede na to da naj bi bila pricevanja dolga najvec 15 vrstic se mi zdi poleg tega tak nacin novinarskega / raziskovalnega dela en bulshit v primerjavi z zahtevno problematiko.

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Reply #3 - 19.04.2006 at 15:12:31
 
Mene pa zanima, kam je izginil moj članek (in še nekaj drugih)?
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Reply #4 - 19.04.2006 at 15:23:02
 
picola wrote on 19.04.2006 at 15:12:31:
Mene pa zanima, kam je izginil moj članek (in še nekaj drugih)?



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Reply #5 - 19.04.2006 at 15:47:20
 
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Mene pa zanima, kam je izginil moj članek (in še nekaj drugih)?



sta dva ista topika (Kje ste moderatorji???), a kle najdeš?:

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v osnovi je že damjan naredu 2

... moderatorji veš kje so ...

če koga hudo moti, lahko zaklenem enga ... vprašanje je samo katerga

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Reply #6 - 19.04.2006 at 18:11:45
 


tega - ker niti ceplenje niti necepljenje dojenčkov ne spadata pod samozdravljenje...


(Likar bi pač potreboval še malo likanja, da bo to ugotovil...)

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Reply #7 - 19.04.2006 at 18:59:26
 
t wrote on 19.04.2006 at 18:11:45:
tega - ker niti ceplenje niti necepljenje dojenčkov ne spadata pod samozdravljenje...

mhm
nekak se mi samozdravljenje definira kot 'sposobnost telesa da samo sebe pozdravi'
al pa če obrnem okol
samodejna sposobnost telesa da ne zboli
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vse dokler ga ne nafilamo s substancami, ki ga sprogramirajo čist drugač

substance pridejo tudi s cepljenjem

tko da ... bi verjetno se 'necepljenje dojenčkov' lahko postavlo za predpogoj samozdravljenja


... sm še kr u dilemi



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Re: cepljenje je neučinkovito in nevarno
Reply #8 - 20.04.2006 at 17:46:27
 
gape wrote on 19.04.2006 at 18:59:26:
... sm še kr u dilemi




In Russia, due to underfunding of the medical system, the rate of vaccination is dropping and many of the old diseases are reappearing.
http://immunet.otago.ac.nz/whyvac.htm
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Reply #9 - 21.04.2006 at 09:02:36
 
gape wrote on 19.04.2006 at 18:59:26:
t wrote on 19.04.2006 at 18:11:45:
tega - ker niti ceplenje niti necepljenje dojenčkov ne spadata pod samozdravljenje...

mhm
nekak se mi samozdravljenje definira kot 'sposobnost telesa da samo sebe pozdravi'
al pa če obrnem okol
samodejna sposobnost telesa da ne zboli
...
vse dokler ga ne nafilamo s substancami, ki ga sprogramirajo čist drugač

substance pridejo tudi s cepljenjem

tko da ... bi verjetno se 'necepljenje dojenčkov' lahko postavlo za predpogoj samozdravljenja


... sm še kr u dilemi




Seveda gre za "programiranje" - v obeh primerih, le da likar&co predlagajo programiranje, po katerem bi neodporna telesa po hitrem postopku zakopali, medtem ko medicina odpornost programira z iglami.


Presojo o krutosti obeh načinov programiranja bi prepustil vsakemu posebej...



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Re: cepljenje je neučinkovito in nevarno
Reply #10 - 21.04.2006 at 13:12:51
 
Ko je bilo ceplejnje še 'obvezno'  odgovornost   ni bila individualna  tud če bi se izkazalo, da je bilo cepljenje usodno. Z 'neobveznostjo' cepljenja je  pa je odgovornost individulana v obeh primerih: če se cepljenje izkaže kot usodno bo starš za to odločitev vsaj pred sabo  odgovoren enako kot če ga ne da cepit in bo to usodno za otroka. Multinacioanlke in zdravstvene oblasti se s tem razbremenijjo velikeaga dela svoje odgovornosti, ki bi bla v primeru obveznega cepljenja aboslutna.

Pojm kolektivne odgovornosti, ki nam je bil včasih tako ljub, se je s sfere dela očitno umaknil tud s področja življenja in smrti, kar je v bistvu dobro,  samo je problem v tem, da za osebno odgovonost še nismo dovolj ozaveščeni in si je zato dostkrat naložimo več, kot smo sposobni nosit.  Izvori številnih bolezni so namreč  kolektivno/kulturno  pogojeni in s tem neodvsini od našega trenutnega osebnega stila bivanja. V navalu induvidulizacije smo sposobni zanikat svojo biloško in duhovno kolektivno pogojenost in soodvisnost, kar se izkaže ravno v primeru epidemij, v katerih se ponavdi zgodi obrat od nazaj iz  individulaizma h kolektivizimu. Tko da po moje pri  cepljeneju  tako kot z odnosom do drugih stvari treba najt pravo mero in si naložit tolk, kolikor si zmožen individulano nosit tud v primeru, ko gre v primeru napačne odločitve  kaj narobe.
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Reply #11 - 21.04.2006 at 18:21:45
 
Jst sm proti cepljenju. - zase !
Nimam želje, da mi vbrizgavajo ne vem al žive al mrtve bacile.

Za dojenčke pa ne vem, verjetn jih je treba, da nabildajo imunost, ko bodo pa starejši naj se pa sami odločjo ...
V bistvu smo res tko fragile, da je cepljenje mogoče način prilagoditve človeka na neposredno okolje, tko kot če gremo v neke eksotične dežele ...
enostavno 'ni časa' 100 let, da se celice prilagodijo, ampak maš tist mesec dni dopusta in to je to.


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Reply #12 - 21.04.2006 at 19:26:55
 
titud wrote on 21.04.2006 at 13:12:51:
Izvori številnih bolezni so namreč  kolektivno/kulturno  pogojeni in s tem neodvsini od našega trenutnega osebnega stila bivanja. .


"necepljeni otroci prezivijo samo zato, ker je vecina populacije vakcinirana"
In Russia, due to underfunding of the medical system, the rate of vaccination is dropping and many of the old diseases are reappearing.
http://immunet.otago.ac.nz/whyvac.htm
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Reply #13 - 21.04.2006 at 20:45:09
 
Mae wrote on 21.04.2006 at 18:21:45:
Jst sm proti cepljenju. - zase !
Nimam želje, da mi vbrizgavajo ne vem al žive al mrtve bacile.
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kako varno je cepljenje?

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It seems logical to me, that if a vaccine is capable of causing death and severe brain damage in some children (if only the minority) then it is undoubtedly capable of causing less severe or more subtle ill effects in others.  The pro-vaccinators seem to be of the opinion if it doesn't kill or maim you instantly, then you're fine and there is no residual negative effect on the body.  Clinical trials which study the safety and efficacy of a vaccine observe the short-term response to the target disease.  They do not record comprehensively the long-term health patterns of the individual following vaccination.

Vaccination is viewed by the body as a foreign substance or toxin, and like all other foreign substances it encounters, it launches a course of action in an attempt to rid itself of the substance.  If the body is in a compromised or vulnerable state for some reason, the attempts to correct the toxicity will fail, resulting in death, or permanent damage.  

(The medics describe this as 'anaphylactic shock', and view it as a rare and strange quirk of nature which cannot really be predicted or understood.)  Where the body survives but is still unable to properly purify itself, it begins dysfunctioning and changing its natural course in a subtle and degenerative way.

One concern about vaccination is the way in which it is administered.  In real life, a pathogen enters either through the skin, the mucous membranes of the respiratory system, or through the gut.  This natural method of pathogen entry gives the immune system advance warning, and time to prepare itself for attack.  Apart from the Polio vaccine, which is taken orally, vaccinations are injected directly into the blood stream - in medical literature you can read such phrases as "boosting" or "shocking" the immune system into action.

An even greater concern is the age at which vaccinations are routinely administered.  The vaccination programme begins on babies at about 6-8 weeks of age.  At this age, and up until around the age of two, a child's immune system is still developing.  Vaccination launches an artificial assault on the baby's immune system at a stage when the baby's immature immune system would not normally be exposed to such an assault under natural circumstances.  The baby in the womb has been protected from pathogens by the mother's own immunity, and this protection continues through the breastfeeding relationship.  If a mother is with her baby constantly, she is exposed to the same pathogens as the baby, and can develop protection and pass this to the baby via her milk even before the baby is affected. Babies are losing this protection with the increase in bottle feeding so early in their lives, and are being exposed to unnatural risks through placement into childcare institutions at earlier and earlier ages.

Nature did not intend for mothers to leave their babies to be artificially nourished and inadequately cared for in a communal situation during these vulnerable early years.  Thus, we are now not only exposing the child to an unnaturally high level of pathogenic material during the delicate awakening process of their immune system, but we are also gradually removing the child's natural protection from disease.



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So... if the whole practice of vaccination is either completely baseless, or is at least worthy of some further investigation, why does it continue to be administered with such righteous compulsion?  The answer is that the pharmaceutical companies, the medical profession and the government all have their own agendas - commercial and political.  There is an awful lot at stake.  Try to imagine the Government and Health Department turning around and saying "looks like we made a mistake, vaccination isn't such a good idea" - frankly, the consequences are unthinkable.  The authorities have dug themselves into a hole that they can never climb out of, and they know it.    



"We should be on our guard not to overestimate science and scientific methods when it is a question of human problems; and we should not assume that experts are the only ones who have a right to express themselves on questions affecting the organisation of society."
(Albert Einstein)


http://www.mothernurture.co.nz/vaccination.htm


NZ Immunisation Awareness Society Homepage  
http://www.ias.org.nz/
(A comprehensive site with lots of links - both pro and con)


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Deciding Not To Vaccinate: My Personal Journey Into Freedom

Once I established that vaccinations were not aligned with my philosophy about health
, I set to work researching the subject in the time I had left before Noah was born. I began by purchasing a book by Neil Miller called Vaccines—Are They Really Safe and Effective? I highly recommend this book. It presents a great overview of the controversies surrounding vaccines and confirmed my suspicions that these injections were not helping American children achieve good health. There are many, many books now on the subject of vaccines. One I particularly like is Tim O’Shea’s The Sanctity of Human Blood — Vaccination is Not Immunization. His style is more heated than Miller’s and makes a strong case for preserving the purity of the infant’s bloodstream. Books like these supported my instincts with facts and made me more confident in my decision to leave my child unvaccinated. The National Vaccine Information Center supports the right of citizens to exercise informed consent and make educated, independent vaccination decisions for themselves and their children. They are a parent-led, non-profit organization with a wealth of information on their website.

http://www.vegfamily.com/vaccines/deciding-not-vaccinate.htm


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Questioning Authority

Among children, antibiotics and vaccines cause more adverse reactions than any other prescribed medicines

VACCINES ARE SUPPOSED TO fool the body's immune system into producing antibodies to resist viral and bacterial infection in the same way that actually having the disease usually produces immunity to future infection. But unlike natural recovery from many infectious diseases, which stimulates lifetime immunity, vaccines only provide temporary protection. That’s why booster doses are often required.

The Rise of Asthma and Other Autoimmune Diseases

YET A GROWING BODY OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT VACCINES MAY have inadvertently done more than just suppress infectious childhood diseases.

A Tripling of Diabetes
DIABETES, A CHRONIC AUTOIMMUNE DISORDER THAT DISRUPTS THE blood's glucose levels, afflicts some 125 million people worldwide. That number is expected to double by 2025.

Classen showed that Finland’s incidence of diabetes increased 147 per cent in children under five after three new vaccines were introduced in the 1970s

Like incidences of asthma and diabetes, the incidence of autism has climbed dramatically in the past 30 years

Hepatitis B Vaccine Takes a Hit

Canadian parents take on the establishment

American protest forces acknowledgment

Tracking system to enforce vaccination

Tracking System Would Eventually Become Global

http://mercola.com/2000/oct/15/vaccines.htm

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Reply #14 - 22.04.2006 at 14:37:51
 
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