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Re: Črna magija v Ljubljani
Reply #15 - 15.09.2004 at 09:48:57
 
Zanimivo, ni kaj. me pa bolj zanima, ali je tudi prepričljivo, pa mogoče mal žgečkljivo..v biti sem hotla napisat, da pač človek lahko verjame v vse, če se le v to globoko prepriča. stvar prepričanja torej. samo ne vem, v bistvu, kaj naj bi magija pomagala? prepričati se mene tud ne da, kr tko v kr neki. mogoče pa deluje vsaka čarovnija, samo, da ni povezana z mojo logiko. črna barva predstavlja neko temačnost, lahko tudi smrt. lahko pa se ve, vse kaj drugega. osebno sem pozitivna osebnost, mi je bolj povšeči svetloba in optimizem, torej ne vem, kaj in zakaj, naj bi verovala v nekaj temačnega, črnega... me je kr zmrazilo po mojem angelskem teleščku...brrrrr...
sem padla samo v debato. po dolgem času je angel mal počival in bil v bolj toplih krajih, sedaj je torej nabit s pozitivno mavrično energy in na temo teme, bi ne pisala nobene traparije.
lep pozdrav vsem optimističnim, magičnim ljudem; magija deluje. pozitivna je. taka kot sonce, se ve!
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Re: Črna magija v Ljubljani
Reply #16 - 15.09.2004 at 09:53:21
 

Tukaj pa moram dati prav Magli: resničnost ni nikoli črbo-bela temveč je vedno nekakšen odtenek.

Vsakršno opletanje s črno in/ali belo magijo pa kaže predvsem na slabo podučenost ali neke prikrite namene tistega, ki to počne.

(ajja titud: nekrofilija ni ljubezen do smrti, temveč ljubezen do trupel, saj veš smrt je tisti nekaj, kar iz bitja naredi truplo)

Je že tako, da nekaj, kar je dobro za nekoga ni nujno dobro tudi za drugega in v tem smislu je "bela magija" s svojim poudarjanjem svoje dobrote za vse precej bolj nevarna, da ne rečem totalitaristično diktatorska, kot "črna magija", ki ponavadi deluje na bolj partikularističnih interesih (recimo da je s tem bolj poštena).

In ko govorimo o teh dveh barvah, ki nista del spektra, ne pozabimo, da vse korenini v črni, da iz nje vse izhaja in se vanjo tudi vrača.

(zanimivo pa je tudi, da se smrt ponavadi prikazuje in opisuje kot bela smrt; črna smrt pa je tradicionalno samo prispodoba za kugo)


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Re: Črna magija v Ljubljani
Reply #17 - 15.09.2004 at 10:33:50
 
t wrote on 15.09.2004 at 09:53:21:
(ajja titud: nekrofilija ni ljubezen do smrti, temveč ljubezen do trupel, saj veš smrt je tisti nekaj, kar iz bitja naredi truplo)

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Ma ja, ampak smrti se same po seb ne more predstavljat kot bitja, ki bi se ga dalo ljubit, drgač kot po tem, kar iz bitja naredi.
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Re: Črna magija v Ljubljani
Reply #18 - 15.09.2004 at 10:58:02
 
titud wrote on 15.09.2004 at 10:33:50:
Ma ja, ampak smrti se same po seb ne more predstavljat kot bitja, ki bi se ga dalo ljubit, drgač kot po tem, kar iz bitja naredi.



Kako to misliš?

Recimo, če nekoga ganejo trupla, to še ne pomeni, da ljubi smrt, lahko se je boji ali pa ima do nje kakršenkoli drugačen odnos. Iz tega, da se nekdo seksualno vzburi ob pogledu na truplo, še ne moremo sklepati, da ga vzburja tudi smrt kot taka.

Recimo smrt bi nekdo lahko ljubil tudi po tem, česar ne naredi - v smislu ljubim te smrt, vse dokler se ne spraviš name.

Kako si predstavljamo smrt, je odvisno od posameznika in kulture, v katero je ta posameznik vpet - tako kot tudi njegov odnos do nje.



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Re: Črna magija v Ljubljani
Reply #19 - 15.09.2004 at 11:09:09
 
*Page 79*

/The *Freedom* of *Choice* / 79

/*Responding to Psychic Attack */

In nearly every culture on Earth people discovered quite long
ago that it is possible to control and manipulate others by
crippling and sabotaging their individual intellects with /fear/
and /confusing misinformation/.
Also, they noticed that it is far easier to disturb, frighten and
confuse rather than to inspire, teach, inform or promote well
being. Just like with water - it is much easier to pollute it than
to purify it from contaminants or even to maintain it clean.
Soon it was realized, that such telepathic (psychic)
disturbances, like all telepathic messages, may be actually
/directed/ to specific people to achieve certain changes in their
behavior, induce sickness or even cause death.
For example, it is well known that in Papua New Guinea some
native people can harm or even kill their enemies at great
distances, just by *concentrating* on it. So-called “black
magic” or “voodoo” is just misusing natural telepathic abilities
to frighten and confuse intellect and the Free Will of a target
person.
Being outspoken about the matters of *Freedom* of *Choice* and
conscious development, publishing my thoughts on the
Internet for everyone to see, I have been exposed to intensive
criticism by people who control large flocks of followers and
promote doctrines suppressing the individual Free Will and
conscious progress on Earth.
On one occasion 70,000 fanatics, lead by priests from Detroit
in the USA, holding multiple PhDs in brainwash, executed a
collective “intercession” on me (2 May 1997 “Promise
Keepers Conference” at the Pontiac Silverdome stadium in
Detroit, MI, USA).
How to cope with a psychic attack? Since we are Individual
Intellects with Unlimited Potential, we already have
everything we need to protect our autonomy and continue our
individual conscious progress.
The most important thing is to realize that any harm can be
done /only if we/ /consciously/ /agree with our free/ /will /to be
harmed and/or influenced.
*There is no force in the Universe that can take your own *
**Freedom* to Think away from you.* Not even The Great
Intellect. You can only surrender it /yourself./
So called “psychic attack” usually involves a request or a
command aiming to /invade someone’s consciousness/ and Free
Will. When “successful”, (i.e. accepted and adopted by the
recipient) such a sabotage of consciousness can seriously
affect the health and well being of the “target” person.
Since all evolved people are aware of the Purpose of the
Universe [1], psychic attack can come only from very
primitive intellects. For this reason, even the collective effort
of 70,000 people consciously and synchronously uniting
against one person produces quite limited conscious
disturbance.
The best strategy to protect yourself, is to make the best
possible use of facilities of your Individual Intellect and
remember that it has an Unlimited Potential. To create optimal
conditions for using your Intellect – you need to restore the
“calmness of mind” as quickly as you can. Skills acquired
during regular meditation practice become simply invaluable.
If you expect a difficult situation - you can use your Intellect
to develop an intelligent “plan” for coping with it - in advance.
What plan?
The most important thing to know is that /during/ a so-called
“psychic attack” the minds of all people involved are actually
in direct communication.
*You can take advantage of such a connection to *
*communicate back your own message*.
If you communicate your fear, people on the other side will
feel “power” over you and may even get excited about it. If
you can restore and maintain your clarity of mind, they won’t
feel any feedback and will feel powerless.
Please, *make sure* that you have achieved a calm state of
mind, before trying to communicate anything back.
What should you communicate back? Yet again, you have the
*Freedom* of *Choice* to make a suitable decision, depending on
the nature of the invasion, your personality and the purpose of
your response. There are quite a few options, but, as always, it
is best to act in perfect harmony with The Purpose of the
Universe. Do you remember what it was? Developing your
Intellect and learning to experience the highest possible
feelings you can imagine.
For that reason, sending the message of Love is the wisest
option. Let me prove it to you.
Most telepathic invaders are low intellect people who have
never really experienced being /truly/ loved, regardless of all the
mistakes they have made. However, like every living organism
in the Universe, they are sensitive enough to send and receive
/feelings/ telepathically. When they suddenly feel /loved/ their
sensations are /so/ pleasant, that they /like/ them. As a result,
when they think of you, they /like/ it. When they like thinking
about you, they actually start /liking you/. But it means that your
“message of love” turned your “enemy” into someone who
actually likes you !
So, of all possible responses, the message of love is the most
powerful, because it *can* actually change people around.
This is exactly what numerous evolved Individual Intellects
did in the ancient past to melt hearts of the great majority of
their “enemies”. This is precisely what they /meant/ when they
taught people to “/love their enemies”/ [1],[3],[5].
Although the message of love is by far the best possible
response, it is the most difficult message to come up with
when you are attacked. Great self discipline and spiritual
maturity are required to truly love someone who tries to hurt
you.
The most efficient way to send your message of Love is with
the assistance of your Higher Self. Why? Because your Higher
Self has direct connections to all other invaders’ Higher Selves
giving your message almost unlimited range. The main thing is
to /ask /for assistance from your Higher Self and be grateful
when you receive it.
You cannot just say or think “words”. You have to really /mean /
what you think and ask for. What happens when you do?
In my case, I knew the approximate timing of the attack in
advance, so I decided to wait for it while meditating and
concentrating on the “cross”. I recognized the moment of the
“attack” as a feeling of a brief discomfort in my chest. Then I
focused on my best feelings I could imagine at that time and I
asked my Higher Self to assist me in sending my message of
love to all those who were trying to hurt me.
After a short while, the entire room I was in, with essentially
white walls and no furniture, went pink right in front of my
eyes. I had a feeling of being inside a transparent “pink cloud”
that surrounded me from every direction.
I felt a surge of energy along my spine, a familiar sensation of
the activity of my Higher Self. I felt that the attempt to control
me was repeated after 5 minutes or so, but this time I did not
feel any discomfort before sending my message of love again.
Later I played my guitar, asking my Higher Self to help to
transmit my music to all the people who were thinking of me
for whatever reason. At no time did I feel threatened. On the
contrary, after this experience I felt greatly energized and
inspired. It was a great and memorable lesson for me.
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Re: Črna magija v Ljubljani
Reply #20 - 15.09.2004 at 11:18:09
 
t wrote on 15.09.2004 at 09:53:21:
In ko govorimo o teh dveh barvah, ki nista del spektra, ne pozabimo, da vse korenini v črni, da iz nje vse izhaja in se vanjo tudi vrača.

jest bi pa reku, da je črna osnova in začetek ... bela je pač apgrejd te črne ... na barve ... al pa nijanse ...
kam se vračaš ... pa je tvoja svobodna odločitev ...

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Reply #21 - 15.09.2004 at 13:01:05
 
gape wrote on 15.09.2004 at 11:18:09:
kam se vračaš ... pa je tvoja svobodna odločitev ...





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Reply #22 - 15.09.2004 at 13:27:43
 
ja?
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Reply #23 - 15.09.2004 at 13:54:58
 
gape wrote on 15.09.2004 at 13:27:43:
ja?
zakaj ne?




recimo, da celota ne poteka premočrtno, temveč krožno

potem se nekoč vse vrne v svojo točko nič

in mi nimamo na tonobenega vpliva
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Reply #24 - 15.09.2004 at 14:18:42
 
t wrote on 15.09.2004 at 13:54:58:
recimo, da celota ne poteka premočrtno, temveč krožno

potem se nekoč vse vrne v svojo točko nič

in mi nimamo na tonobenega vpliva

recimo, da celota ... recimo ...

kaj pa če bi rekl da ne poteka niti krožno niti premočrno, ampak spiralno ... se reče ... če teb zgleda da poteka krožno, si se 'zataknu' ... v krogu ... point pa je spirala ... al v eno al pa v drugo stran ... v življenje in preko njega v višje svetove ali pak v zemljo in preko nje pod zemljo ...
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Reply #25 - 15.09.2004 at 14:33:35
 
gape wrote on 15.09.2004 at 14:18:42:
... point pa je spirala ... al v eno al pa v drugo stran ... v življenje in preko njega v višje svetove ali pak v zemljo in preko nje pod zemljo ...




spirala pak lahko deluje samo pri slabih neskončnostih

pri brezkončni (in brezzačetni) večnosti je pak bistvo okroglo, znotraj prazno okrog ga pa nič ni

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Reply #26 - 15.09.2004 at 15:13:17
 
gape wrote on 15.09.2004 at 11:18:09:
jest bi pa reku, da je črna osnova in začetek ... bela je pač apgrejd te črne

kaj si je zdaj treba predstavljat belo kot ultra intenzivno črno?  Tongue

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Reply #27 - 15.09.2004 at 21:04:39
 
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belo si lahko predstavljaš kot črno, ki vso svojo črnino odbije v svetlobo ali pa kot barvo mavrice... ali kot barvo jezusa... kot barvo pr enih modelih sedme čakre... al pa kot najlepšo barvo na svetu... (snegec pegec - ceuc, pauder) - no tko si jo jest predstavljam

kakšna mamca pa bi si jo predstavljala kot "prebisano čisto"  Grin Shocked 8)

tole je blo v konteksu...

glede črnih magov pa samo še to...
recmo za trenutek da res obstajajo taki osebki...

pol pri njih pravilo fight fire with fire.... nea gre tko kot bi hotl....oziroma se oni s tem jačajo pa recva da so v tem načinu kr taprav Tyson
tak da izber wu-wei... fight fire with water... oziroma do not fight

edino kar lahko napadejo je strah... edino s katerega se lahko jačajo je jeza, ki jo čuti tvoj prijatelj do njih...
Vem da je teško ampak svetuj svojemu prijatelju naj jim zavestno v meditaciji tem osebkom pošilja ljubezen...

torej vzame eno svečio jo prižge... malo podiha (par minut) ...se sprosti... lahko se spomni enga dogodka ...ko je bil res happy in ga projecira v ogenj ...pa potem to razširi in potencira še z mislijo o ljubezni... in potem da v ta ogenj še vse osebke do katerih čuti jezo... in na koncu še vse osebke... ki jih ima itak rad...

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Reply #28 - 16.09.2004 at 10:47:55
 
Sam neki:

Nihče pravzaprav ni trdil, da je realnost črno-bela. Ampak tudi v tej mavrični realnosti imamo psihopate...

Pa če smo že pri barvah - od kod vam ideja da vse izhaja iz črne - nas so vedno učili da vse izhaja iz bele ?!?
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Reply #29 - 16.09.2004 at 11:16:02
 
teonanacatl wrote on 16.09.2004 at 10:47:55:
Sam neki:
Pa če smo že pri barvah - od kod vam ideja da vse izhaja iz črne - nas so vedno učili da vse izhaja iz bele ?!?





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