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Re: PARADOX
Reply #15 - 15.02.2005 at 10:00:35
 


Madan Gopal Das wrote on 15.02.2005 at 09:50:25:
realnost se da opredeliti, a nikoli dokoncno, ker je neomejena. ampak pozitivne opredelitve realiziranih dus so nam koristnejse kot le negativne, oz. to da recemo da se resnice absolutno ne da opredelit. ker ze s tem ko smo rekl, da se je ne da opredelit, smo jo ze opredelil, ceprav indirektno/negativno.


Hm. Maš prav ....

Jaz še vseeno menim, da je realnost le naša subjektivna resničnost skozi določitev ali pač mistificiranje doživljanja.  

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Re: PARADOX
Reply #16 - 15.02.2005 at 10:06:27
 
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Jaz še vseeno menim, da je realnost le naša subjektivna resničnost skozi določitev ali pač mistificiranje doživljanja.

Absolutna/objektivna realnost obstaja, ampak mi jo lahko dozivljamo le subjektivno, skozi lastni filter.

do Absolutnega imamo vedno nek odnos.

za nas, individualne duse obstaja en univerzalen princip, ki omogoca vsakemu zivemu bitju tak odnos z Absolutnim, da je lahko dokoncno izpolnjena. znotri tega univerzalnega principa je moznih neskoncno nivojev in neskoncno razlicnih okusov, tko da je vsako zivo bitje lahko hkrati popolnoma svobodno znotri enega univerzalnega principa.
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Reply #17 - 15.02.2005 at 10:26:10
 
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Jaz še vseeno menim, da je realnost le naša subjektivna resničnost skozi določitev ali pač mistificiranje doživljanja.  



To lahko vodi v solipsizem oz. je taka percepcija lahko že izraz solipsizma, ki pa je po moje sam po seb že eden od (po moje nesupšešnih) poskusov razrešitve uvodnega pardoxa.
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Re: PARADOX
Reply #18 - 15.02.2005 at 11:10:33
 
titud wrote on 15.02.2005 at 10:26:10:
To lahko vodi v solipsizem oz. je taka percepcija lahko že izraz solipsizma, ki pa je po moje sam po seb že eden od (po moje nesupšešnih) poskusov razrešitve uvodnega pardoxa.  


Ja, a ni ena oz. edina osnovna značilnost paradoxa prav njegova nerazrešljivost?
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Reply #19 - 15.02.2005 at 11:25:45
 
Ful `močna` beseda - "paradox", a ne?






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Reply #20 - 15.02.2005 at 11:43:50
 
Paradoks (v slovenščini ga ne pišemo s črko x) ni nujno nerazrešljiv.  Nerazrešljivo je lahko nasprotje, do katerega paradoks pripelje in se ga običajno zamenjuje s samim paradoksom.

Paradoks predstavlja nekaj presenetljivega, etimološko pomeni nekaj "v smislu s sprejetim", naprimer kakšna trditev, ki zgleda na prvi pogled pravilna, vendar se nato presenetljivo izkaže, da vodi v nasprotja (kontradikcije).

Paradoksi se običajno pojavljajo pri samoreferenci ali v zvezi z neskončnostjo (torej pri mističnih temah  8) )



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Re: PARADOX
Reply #21 - 15.02.2005 at 13:28:08
 
Nekaj definicij za paradox:

  • (logic) a self-contradiction; "`I always lie' is a paradox because if it is true it must be false"

  • a statement that appears to contradict itself, for example, suggesting a solution which is actually impossible (cfTortoise and Hare Race).


  • a figure of speech in which an apparent contradiction contains a truth

  • apparent contradiction or discrepancy with common sense.

  • a self-contradictory phrase or sentence

  • a statement that appears to contradict itself or be absurd but that may be true. Emily Dickinson?s statement, "Much madness is divinest sense" is an example.

  • a statement that contradicts or seems to contradict itself, yet often expresses a truth, such as "Less is more".

  • a statement that seems self-contradictory, yet may nevertheless be true.

  • a seemingly contradictory statement that may nonetheless be true.

  • a contradictory statement in logic, typically including two or more mutually exclusive elements; also used here to indicate a situation not resolvable by logic, such as theinfinite regress of the total field. Paradoxes can only be resolved by subjective choices according to context, using the intuitive mode; the logic-dependent scientism of 'applied science' can only resolve paradoxes by denying that they exist, with results that are often unfortunate.

  • an assertion that seems self-contradictory or opposed to common sense.

  • a contradiction or illogicality, contrary to expectations

  • a statement that seems contradictory but may actually be true, as in "That I may rise and stand, o'erthrow me," from Donne's "Batter My Heart, three-personed God." Close Window

  • in logic and mathematics, an apparently absurd or contradictory conclusion that follows from one or more compelling-at any rate, plausible-statements or premises. Some paradoxes cannot be solved without fundamental revisions of the human conceptual apparatus. One example is the paradox of the liar. The sentence "This sentence is false" seems to be well-formed and meaningful. Yet, it is true if, and only if, it is false, that is, not true. This paradox apparently forces either a restriction of the expressive power of language (so that the liar sentence cannot be formed) or a rejection of the compelling principle that a sentence is true if and only if what it says is true. Over 2,000 years after it was first posed, there is still no agreement among philosophers as to its resolution. Another example is Russell's Paradox (named after Bertrand Russell).

  • an argument which seems to justify a self-contradictory conclusion by using valid deductions from acceptable premises.

  • an assertion seemingly opposed to common sense, but that may yet have some truth in it. *What a pity that youth must be wasted on the young. George Bernard Shaw (A Glossary of Rhetorical Terms with Examples, Ross Scaife)

  • a statement that appears to be contradictory but is not, such as "increases in product quality often result in a decline of the cost of producing the goods."

  • a statement that initially appears to be self-contradictory but that, on closer inspection, turns out to make sense.

  • a statement which at first appears to contradict itself but is in fact true.

  • a statement which seems on its face to be logically contradictory or absurd, yet turns out to be interpretable in a

  • the appearance of two qualities of Being that appear to be opposite, yet are co-existing and non-separate

  • a seemingly contradictory statement which is actually true. An idea which embeds a contradiction. (Example: "You can't get a job without experience, and you can't get experience without getting a job".)


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Reply #22 - 15.02.2005 at 13:51:06
 
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Kaj je sploh definicija paradoxa?



bom kar sama probala odgovorit, preden začnem brat; ej, je pa kul, da smo not padli  Grin Wink 8)

paradox je nekaj kar na prvi pogled deluje čisto nesmiselno, nasprotje, hkrati pa je oboje res;

npr. una najbolj znana iz mladosti:

Bog je zgradil zid, ki ga nič ne more podret; in kuglo, ki ruši vse pred seboj....

jih je pa polno;

recimo tudi ta:

enost-dvojnost; kle na Zemlji seveda...

sama sem not padla zadnje čase in men niti ni tok do samega filozofiranja o tem kaj to je...

ampak jih bolj iščem, oz. niti tok ne iščem, kokr oni mene najdejo; in eni so mi žur za napisat dol;

seveda pa lahko vsak od nas počne kar hoče; itak imamo vsi prav, pa še ENO smo

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Re: PARADOX
Reply #23 - 15.02.2005 at 13:52:50
 
Bardo_Thodol wrote on 15.02.2005 at 11:43:50:
Paradoks (v slovenščini ga ne pišemo s črko x)





kaj misliš v katerem jeziku se pogovarjamo, beremo in pišemo v TELEPATŠČINI?
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tko, da pustimo malenkosti, ej, lahko se pa tud haklamo na njih, kakor komu prav Smiley Wink
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Reply #24 - 15.02.2005 at 14:02:08
 
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Hm. Maš prav www.gape.org/sonce/svetpogovorov/vzivo/chat/images/smilies/kopfkratz2.gif.

Jaz še vseeno menim, da je realnost le naša subjektivna resničnost skozi določitev ali pač mistificiranje doživljanja.  




vsak ima prav, ZASE, pa še za koga druzga; multidimenzionality:

Petra. wrote on 13.02.2005 at 23:55:33:
THERE IS NO CONFLICT




People who believe that there is a conflict between the two systems
are still immersed in dualism and are fixated on being right. The
future spiritual-mental evolution depends on holding multiple views
simultaneously, of seeing the inherent harmony in all forms of order
whatsoever, and of experiencing non-dual unification of self and
other.




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Re: PARADOX
Reply #25 - 15.02.2005 at 14:29:17
 
Petra. wrote on 15.02.2005 at 13:52:50:
kaj misliš v katerem jeziku se pogovarjamo, beremo in pišemo v TELEPATŠČINI?
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Reply #26 - 15.02.2005 at 15:41:16
 
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Ja, a ni ena oz. edina osnovna značilnost paradoxa prav njegova nerazrešljivost?


Jest razumem razrešitu parodoksa v tisti mistični dimenziji, ki jo omneja bardo. V bistvu v sprejetju tega, da nečesa ni možno logično razložit. Največji  mistični paradoks je ž itak življenje samo, ki ga vedno znova poskašumo razložit  na način ustvarjanja samih dulanosti in nasprotij, čeprav je vsa skrivnpost življenja ravno v njegovi nerazložjivi enovitosti vseh dualnosti in nasprotij.
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Re: PARADOX
Reply #27 - 15.02.2005 at 21:46:34
 
Bardo_Thodol wrote on 15.02.2005 at 11:43:50:
Paradoks (v slovenščini ga ne pišemo s črko x) ni nujno nerazrešljiv.  



ni kej, Bardo_Thodol da na slovnico ... ga občudujem, včasih vse tako do vejice natančno napiše Smiley , da si potem rečem ... Siaj, ja kam si pa ti v šolo hodila ...

ja, res je, paradoks ni nujno nerazrešljiv, tudi nič slabega, v bistvu je ena zelo fajn zadeva, morda je le začasna ovira, ki jo mišljenje lahko preseže ali pa celo meja v smislu totalne meje do katere mišljenje dospe, naprej pa ne gre več

ker dostikrat je ravno poprejšnje vedenje, znanje, mnenje, ki ga že imamo, ovira spznanju nečesa novega

včasih je potrebno to zavreči, zmetat stran med staro šaro

je pa vprašanje koliko smo že ujeti v krog, v katerem je jezik sam nosilec in model in to se kaže kot blokada



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Re: PARADOX
Reply #28 - 15.02.2005 at 22:54:29
 
Petra. wrote on 13.02.2005 at 23:53:49:
svobodna volja-usoda

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Svobodna volja je sprejeti lastno usodo, ali pa tudi ne.
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Reply #29 - 16.02.2005 at 00:14:09
 
mene zanima katere prepozna vsak znotraj in zunaj sebe-eni raje teorizirate-pa mamo vsi prav, pa itak se vse dogaja z
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