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28.11.2004 at 20:20:40
 
A ima kdo kšne izkušnje z izventelesnimi izkušnjami, pa meditacijami  s pomočjo kšnih substanc ala pejotl itd.-kje bi se dalo to dobit?
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Reply #1 - 28.11.2004 at 20:26:37
 
Pejotl se da dobit v eni kaktusarni v Strunjanu.
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Reply #2 - 28.11.2004 at 20:33:14
 
a sam tko, da kupš cel kaktus, al kako
a mogoče veš kok stane?
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Reply #3 - 28.11.2004 at 20:37:01
 
mislim da 3 jurje

sam so mičkeni, baje jih moraš pojest več
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Reply #4 - 29.11.2004 at 11:16:10
 
če te zanimajo izventelesne izkušnje je bolj primerna Salvia Divinorum ali pa Ayahuasca.
Za meditacije in raziskovanje podzavesti pa so poleg pejotla primerni tudi drugi kaktusi, ki vsebujejo meskalin.

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Reply #5 - 30.11.2004 at 14:54:26
 
To je fajn:

...The Hawaiian mushroom (Copelandia cyanscens/Panaeolus cyanensus)
was discovered on the Philippines, and grows naturally in South America and Asia. It is very populair amongst young people in Hawaii, where this mushroom also grows widely in nature. Probably this is where it's name originally comes from.

It is a small mushroom with a long narrow stem, and with a light-coloured head.

The Hawaiian mushroom contains high levels of psilocybine and psilocine and is one of the strongest hallucinogenic mushrooms known.
Copelandia mushrooms are stronger than Cubensis mushrooms and give a more visual trip with lucid and 'tropical' colors. The active elements are very similar to the body's own serotonin and have similar effects.

The best way to use the mushrooms is to eat them after chewing well. This doesn't taste that good, so a more tasteful way is make tea by boiling the mushrooms 20 minutes in some water. Do not use sugar. After boiling you can drink the tea and also eat the mushrooms safely.

Take the shrooms on an empty stomach, do not eat 4 hours before the trip. Drink enough water, fruit juice or caffeine free tea during the trip. Use the mushrooms in a quiet, safe environment and with people you feel comfortable with.
During the first hour of the trip you may feel a little sick. This feeling dissappears when the psilocybine really starts doing its work.

Do not use when pregnant, nursing, depressed, on medication, when driving motorized vehicles, younger than 18 years old, in combinations with stimulants or alcohol.

When using mushrooms for the first time, make sure someone with more experience is around, in case you need help, for example when you get sick or scared. Treat the mushrooms with respect, be alert to your environment and help those who take it for the first time. If so, the spirit of the mushroom will show you more of the secrets of the Universe.
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Reply #6 - 30.11.2004 at 14:59:28
 
O pejotlu:

...The small thornless peyote cactus (lophophora williamsii)   originates from the south of Texas and northern Mexico. The plant is a very important religious sacrament in many native American cultures of Central and North-America. In Mexico the cactus is also sold as a medicine against blindness, fever and many other diseases.

The active alkaloids of the Peyote cactus are:

   * mescaline (3,4,5- trimethoxy-B-phenethylamine)
   * n-methylmescaline
   * n-acetylmescaline
   * lophophorine
   * thyramine
   * hordinenine
   * anhalaninine
   * anhalonidine
   * pellotine
   * o-methyllanhalonidine

The most important active alkaloid is mescaline.

It may take a while before the peyote cacti start to work, but then it could be one of the most beautiful experiences you will ever have.

Mescaline is somewhat similar to LSD-25, but it is more soft, colourful, warmer and nicer. Sometimes you can travel through time and space, or communicate with your own spirit. The Peyote trip is stronger than the San Pedro trip, but so is the initial nausea. A trip can last 6 to 12 hours.

The traditional way to consume it to eat the cactus. You also have to eat the root, and chew for a long time because your saliva takes up the mescaline.

An other way to consume the Peyote cacti is to make tea from them. Cut them in little pieces and boil them for half an hour. Drink the liquid like tea.

It's also possible to dry the cactus. Cut it into slices and put it in a oven on 50°C for 4 or 5 hours. Then you can eat the slices.

Peyote cacti are best eaten on an empty stomach. Try not to eat 6 hours before consuming the cati.

The cacti taste very bitter. The bitterness can be masked by drinking some sour fruit juice like grapefruit or pineapple juice.

You might feel a little nausea before the trip begins. Some people say this can be avoided by eating ginger.

If you choose to let the peyote cactus grow for a couple of years, please note that it is a difficult plant that grows very slowly. It needs a lot of sunlight and a little water.
Dosage
It is difficult to indicate how much mescaline one peyote catus contains, as this depends on its age and growing conditions. The bigger and older a cactus, the more mescaline it contains. An average peyote dosage is about 12-30 g, which is the equivalent of about 6-15 (or more) 2 g cacti.

Remember that potency can vary greatly. Therefore it is best not to take the dosage all at once, but to build up the dosage gradually: take half of the dosage, wait an 60 to 90 minutes to see what the effect is, then if desired take half of what is left over and if necessary repeat. A Peyote trip takes about two to two and a half hours to peak.

Mescaline dosages:
          150 mg         threshold dosage.
150 - 300 mg        light to moderate dosage
300 - 400 mg         strong trip, last 6 - 12 hours
450 - 500 mg         possible ego dissolution, trip will last about 12 hours
500 - 600 mg         definite ego dissolution, trip can last up to 24 hours


Do not combine with alcohol, MAO-Inhibitors or other stimulants.
Do not use when pregnant, depressed, on medication, driving motorized vehicles, under 18 years old.
When you're using Peyote make sure there's someone with you to assist you when neccessary.

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Re: pejotl ...
Reply #7 - 30.11.2004 at 16:01:59
 
kje se pa da kupit Salvia Divinorum ali pa Ayahuasca, al pa une gobice?
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Reply #8 - 01.12.2004 at 08:26:37
 
Salvio je pri nas popolnoma legalna in jo najlažje dobiš, če jo po netu naročiš iz tujine. cene se gibljejo nekje okrog 14.000 sit za 100g listov salvie, ekstrakti so dražji.
Tudi pri nas obstajajo ljudje, ki jim salvia uspeva doma, vendar bolj za osebno uporabo, kot za prodajo Smiley

Pri ayahuasci je stvar malo bolj komplicirana že glede uvoza, zahtevna je tudi priprava napitka. Najboljšo vsekakor pripravljajo šamani v amazonskem pragozdu - preverjeno Wink

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Reply #9 - 01.12.2004 at 20:15:54
 
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A ima kdo kšne izkušnje z izventelesnimi izkušnjami, pa meditacijami  s pomočjo kšnih substanc ala pejotl itd.-kje bi se dalo to dobit?

Dalaj22 A si ti sploh skušal meditirati in nekaj izkusiti brez substanc?
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Reply #10 - 09.12.2004 at 14:42:19
 
ja samo zakaj nebi poskusli kej novga??
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Reply #11 - 09.12.2004 at 17:50:42
 
Morda zato ker 'substance' niso hrana .. a ti nisi bolan Smiley

Res hočeš  ''be free'' ?
Jaz mislim da je človek tedaj svobodan če se lahko kontrolira in tudi ne potrebuje nič specialnega.
Smiley moje mnenje
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Reply #12 - 09.12.2004 at 18:20:33
 
indigo, substance so en tak dodatek k hrani Grin
kot tisti ki hodijo v fitness in jejo proteine Grin
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Reply #13 - 10.12.2004 at 12:20:26
 


  to be free ...  to be Really free..

Dalaj22  and  Sn0wBall Wink ,  what do you think, what is ''freedom'' ?  Is maybe person  ''free'' in case when person may realize every own wish, every impulse that comes into persons mind ?

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Reply #14 - 10.12.2004 at 15:54:08
 
Carlos Castaneda...
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