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Title: pejotl ... Post by zakaj on 28.11.2004 at 20:20:40 A ima kdo kšne izkušnje z izventelesnimi izkušnjami, pa meditacijami  s pomočjo kšnih substanc ala pejotl itd.-kje bi se dalo to dobit?

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by Sn0wBall on 28.11.2004 at 20:26:37 Pejotl se da dobit v eni kaktusarni v Strunjanu.

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by zakaj on 28.11.2004 at 20:33:14 a sam tko, da kupš cel kaktus, al kako a mogoče veš kok stane?

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by Sn0wBall on 28.11.2004 at 20:37:01 mislim da 3 jurje sam so mičkeni, baje jih moraš pojest več

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by vine of the soul on 29.11.2004 at 11:16:10 če te zanimajo izventelesne izkušnje je bolj primerna Salvia Divinorum ali pa Ayahuasca. Za meditacije in raziskovanje podzavesti pa so poleg pejotla primerni tudi drugi kaktusi, ki vsebujejo meskalin. lp

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by Mikron on 30.11.2004 at 14:54:26 To je fajn: The Hawaiian mushroom (Copelandia cyanscens/Panaeolus cyanensus) was discovered on the Philippines, and grows naturally in South America and Asia. It is very populair amongst young people in Hawaii, where this mushroom also grows widely in nature. Probably this is where it's name originally comes from. It is a small mushroom with a long narrow stem, and with a light-coloured head. The Hawaiian mushroom contains high levels of psilocybine and psilocine and is one of the strongest hallucinogenic mushrooms known. Copelandia mushrooms are stronger than Cubensis mushrooms and give a more visual trip with lucid and 'tropical' colors. The active elements are very similar to the body's own serotonin and have similar effects. The best way to use the mushrooms is to eat them after chewing well. This doesn't taste that good, so a more tasteful way is make tea by boiling the mushrooms 20 minutes in some water. Do not use sugar. After boiling you can drink the tea and also eat the mushrooms safely. Take the shrooms on an empty stomach, do not eat 4 hours before the trip. Drink enough water, fruit juice or caffeine free tea during the trip. Use the mushrooms in a quiet, safe environment and with people you feel comfortable with. During the first hour of the trip you may feel a little sick. This feeling dissappears when the psilocybine really starts doing its work. Do not use when pregnant, nursing, depressed, on medication, when driving motorized vehicles, younger than 18 years old, in combinations with stimulants or alcohol. When using mushrooms for the first time, make sure someone with more experience is around, in case you need help, for example when you get sick or scared. Treat the mushrooms with respect, be alert to your environment and help those who take it for the first time. If so, the spirit of the mushroom will show you more of the secrets of the Universe. http://www.azarius.nl/productinfo.php?productmain=1817&tabID=1

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by Mikron on 30.11.2004 at 14:59:28 O pejotlu: The small thornless peyote cactus (lophophora williamsii)   originates from the south of Texas and northern Mexico. The plant is a very important religious sacrament in many native American cultures of Central and North-America. In Mexico the cactus is also sold as a medicine against blindness, fever and many other diseases. The active alkaloids of the Peyote cactus are:    * mescaline (3,4,5- trimethoxy-B-phenethylamine)    * n-methylmescaline    * n-acetylmescaline    * lophophorine    * thyramine    * hordinenine    * anhalaninine    * anhalonidine    * pellotine    * o-methyllanhalonidine The most important active alkaloid is mescaline. It may take a while before the peyote cacti start to work, but then it could be one of the most beautiful experiences you will ever have. Mescaline is somewhat similar to LSD-25, but it is more soft, colourful, warmer and nicer. Sometimes you can travel through time and space, or communicate with your own spirit. The Peyote trip is stronger than the San Pedro trip, but so is the initial nausea. A trip can last 6 to 12 hours. The traditional way to consume it to eat the cactus. You also have to eat the root, and chew for a long time because your saliva takes up the mescaline. An other way to consume the Peyote cacti is to make tea from them. Cut them in little pieces and boil them for half an hour. Drink the liquid like tea. It's also possible to dry the cactus. Cut it into slices and put it in a oven on 50°C for 4 or 5 hours. Then you can eat the slices. Peyote cacti are best eaten on an empty stomach. Try not to eat 6 hours before consuming the cati. The cacti taste very bitter. The bitterness can be masked by drinking some sour fruit juice like grapefruit or pineapple juice. You might feel a little nausea before the trip begins. Some people say this can be avoided by eating ginger. If you choose to let the peyote cactus grow for a couple of years, please note that it is a difficult plant that grows very slowly. It needs a lot of sunlight and a little water. Dosage It is difficult to indicate how much mescaline one peyote catus contains, as this depends on its age and growing conditions. The bigger and older a cactus, the more mescaline it contains. An average peyote dosage is about 12-30 g, which is the equivalent of about 6-15 (or more) 2 g cacti. Remember that potency can vary greatly. Therefore it is best not to take the dosage all at once, but to build up the dosage gradually: take half of the dosage, wait an 60 to 90 minutes to see what the effect is, then if desired take half of what is left over and if necessary repeat. A Peyote trip takes about two to two and a half hours to peak. Mescaline dosages:           150 mg         threshold dosage. 150 - 300 mg        light to moderate dosage 300 - 400 mg         strong trip, last 6 - 12 hours 450 - 500 mg         possible ego dissolution, trip will last about 12 hours 500 - 600 mg         definite ego dissolution, trip can last up to 24 hours Do not combine with alcohol, MAO-Inhibitors or other stimulants. Do not use when pregnant, depressed, on medication, driving motorized vehicles, under 18 years old. When you're using Peyote make sure there's someone with you to assist you when neccessary. http://www.azarius.nl/index.php?category=2&subcategory=2&tabID=1

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by dalaj22 on 30.11.2004 at 16:01:59 kje se pa da kupit Salvia Divinorum ali pa Ayahuasca, al pa une gobice?

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by vine of the soul on 01.12.2004 at 08:26:37 Salvio je pri nas popolnoma legalna in jo najlažje dobiš, če jo po netu naročiš iz tujine. cene se gibljejo nekje okrog 14.000 sit za 100g listov salvie, ekstrakti so dražji. Tudi pri nas obstajajo ljudje, ki jim salvia uspeva doma, vendar bolj za osebno uporabo, kot za prodajo :) Pri ayahuasci je stvar malo bolj komplicirana že glede uvoza, zahtevna je tudi priprava napitka. Najboljšo vsekakor pripravljajo šamani v amazonskem pragozdu - preverjeno ;) lp

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 01.12.2004 at 20:15:54 Quote: A ima kdo kšne izkušnje z izventelesnimi izkušnjami, pa meditacijami  s pomočjo kšnih substanc ala pejotl itd.-kje bi se dalo to dobit? Dalaj22 A si ti sploh skušal meditirati in nekaj izkusiti brez substanc?

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by dalaj22 on 09.12.2004 at 14:42:19 ja samo zakaj nebi poskusli kej novga??

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 09.12.2004 at 17:50:42 Morda zato ker 'substance' niso hrana .. a ti nisi bolan :) Res hočeš  ''be free'' ? Jaz mislim da je človek tedaj svobodan če se lahko kontrolira in tudi ne potrebuje nič specialnega. :) moje mnenje

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by snowball on 09.12.2004 at 18:20:33 indigo, substance so en tak dodatek k hrani ;D kot tisti ki hodijo v fitness in jejo proteine ;D

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 10.12.2004 at 12:20:26   to be free ...  to be Really free.. Dalaj22  and  Sn0wBall ;) ,  what do you think, what is ''freedom'' ?  Is maybe person  ''free'' in case when person may realize every own wish, every impulse that comes into persons mind ? Kaj je to svoboda ?

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by dalaj22 on 10.12.2004 at 15:54:08 Carlos Castaneda...

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 10.12.2004 at 23:22:27 dalaj22 wrote on 10.12.2004 at 15:54:08: Carlos Castaneda... Misliš reči Carlos Castaneda je priporočal gobice?

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by dalaj22 on 11.12.2004 at 14:17:27 ne, pa ne se tok sekirat in razburjat sej vem, da si bl pametna in izkušena sory k sploh kej vprašam res si car(ka) moj vzor

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by ixtlan on 11.12.2004 at 15:32:54 indigo wrote on 10.12.2004 at 12:20:26: Dalaj22  and  Sn0wBall ;) ,  what do you think, what is ''freedom'' ?  Is maybe person  ''free'' in case when person may realize every own wish, every impulse that comes into persons mind ? Kaj je to svoboda ? Freedom is just another word for nothing (left) to lose ;)

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by siaj on 11.12.2004 at 19:25:21 ixtlan wrote on 11.12.2004 at 15:32:54: Freedom is just another word for nothing (left) to lose ;) jap, tko je pela tiste čase Janis  :) zna bit, da pa še sedaj to drži ;)

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by ixtlan on 12.12.2004 at 11:39:46 jp :) čeprou mislim, da bi se Janis po vsem kar je vse skoz dala (med drugim cel vlak njenih fanov in to naenkrat :o), na konc mogla strinjat, da od viška svobode lohk tut glava boli... ene meje si morš vseen (sam) postavt... in ker si lahko v postavljanju mej čisto svoboden, je brezmejnost svobode s tem ohranjena

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by dalaj22 on 12.12.2004 at 16:52:27 ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 12.12.2004 at 21:06:29 ixtlan: Quote: (...)  od viška svobode lohk tut glava boli... ene meje si morš vseen (sam) postavt... in ker si lahko v postavljanju mej čisto svoboden, je brezmejnost svobode s tem ohranjena  :)     Quote: Freedom is just another word for nothing (left) to lose ;) Ja, če nimam stvari ni mi treba skrbiti za njih (tudi ne za PC ;) ;D ) a če sploh nisem svojilna ::)  ne zgubim niti ne stvari, ne osebe, tudi če sem 'zapuščena' :)

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by ixtlan on 12.12.2004 at 21:22:04 tako :D

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 12.12.2004 at 22:01:27 http://www.gape.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=vera;action=display;num=1096617604

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 13.12.2004 at 11:43:44 ixtlan wrote on 12.12.2004 at 21:22:04: tako :D Jezus Kristus ni imel nič... ne hiže, ne stvari.. le enu edinu obleku je imel, in verjetno je imel buteljko (ali ne vem zdaj kaj so v tem obdobju imeli za vodu) in posodo za jedilo :)

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by Sn0wBall on 13.12.2004 at 13:36:26 sigurno je tud kake gobe,kaktuse al pa koreninice jedu, pa nikjer ne piše nč o tem ;D

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 13.12.2004 at 14:57:59 You wicked, wicked boy ;D ;D

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by siaj on 13.12.2004 at 21:05:49 ixtlan wrote on 12.12.2004 at 11:39:46: jp :) čeprou mislim, da bi se Janis po vsem kar je vse skoz dala (med drugim cel vlak njenih fanov in to naenkrat :o), na konc mogla strinjat, da od viška svobode lohk tut glava boli... ene meje si morš vseen (sam) postavt... in ker si lahko v postavljanju mej čisto svoboden, je brezmejnost svobode s tem ohranjena ja točno  :) ... in prva asociacija na Janis je bila ravno to, kako je to lahko tudi en žalosten in grenak spev --  :'( po drugi strani pa ima prav, v smislu nimaš kaj izgubit ... ampak v bistvu recimo da lahko svojo dušo ... al pa še kej  ;) svobodno postavljanje mej ... zanimivo   ;)

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by zvezdni_angel on 12.03.2005 at 18:38:50 Bi dodala mojo izkušnjo, sicer ne pijem,  ne kadim in ne uporabljam nobenih sredstev za pomoč, razen te iizkušnje s kaktusom. Bilo je tako, da sem v tistem stanju občutila dosti več in bolj globoko kot normalno, v bistvu poglobljeno stanje normalne resničnosti. Zavedla sem se tako globokih občutkov, da je groza kaj vse je v meni. Ne preživiš, tako je hudo, tudi zato ker je bilo prvič in je tolk robe moglo ven. Lahko sem pogledala tudi kaj v otroštvu sproža mojo sedanjost, najlepše, no edino lepo pa mi je bilo, okrog mene vsepolno angelov, bitij, duš, duš rastlin s katerimi sm tudi vzpostavila stik. V kamnih in kamorkoli sem pogledala so bili obrazi, znaki, simboli... vse tako živo. Skratka enkratno. Trajalo je kar precej ur, ko se je normaliziralo sem še vse vedela razen občutki so popustili. Potem sem počasi dan za dnem te občutke ozaveščala in čistila, gre kar u redu. Zame je bla uredu izkušnja. Ogromen korak naprej po moji poti.

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 12.03.2005 at 20:08:26 No baš lepa pot, angel v kaktusarni ;D še malo reklame in za gobe prosim ;D

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by zvezdni_angel on 12.03.2005 at 21:02:12 Ne delam reklame, samo pomembno mi je da se čimbolj spoznam.

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 13.03.2005 at 06:59:45 Zvezdni_angel, koliko jaz vidim delaš reklamu. Čimbolj spoznati se? A kaj pomeni ljubezen do človeka ki zdaj mogoče iska duhovni pot? Nimaš nič boljega nego dati nekakšnu prijaznu sliku  ''izkušnje'' s kaktusom? Svašta

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by petra pan on 13.03.2005 at 07:14:16 indigo wrote on 12.03.2005 at 20:08:26: No baš lepa pot, angel v kaktusarni ;D še malo reklame in za gobe prosim ;D gobe sploh ne rabijo reklame, kar v gozdu rastejo in so popolnoma legalne  ;) sama ponavadi najraje jurčke nabiram, in kot gobarka vem, da tam kjer raste rdeča mušnica, je vedno v bližini tudi kak jurček, he he... sama res ne vidim problema v svetu kjer je možno vse kar je iz sebe? iz ljubezni?

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 13.03.2005 at 08:01:29 Legalna je in sol. Nasprot gobam je in nujna za življenje (Stane to ve najbolje ;) )  Pak in ta toliko cenjena sol, katera ne provzroči odvisnost, v določeni kolikosti je otrov. Poješ kilo soli in goodbye ;D Boš reklamirala 1/2 kila soli za kosilo? ;) '' sama res ne vidim problema v svetu kjer je možno vse kar je iz sebe? iz ljubezni? '' ?? boš razložila to malo?

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by zvezdni_angel on 13.03.2005 at 13:27:04 Veš kaj Indigo Vsak ve zase in dela kar hoče, če je to zame OK. je poplnoma moja stvar in nihče razen mene same ne more o temu sodit, OK. ;)

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 13.03.2005 at 17:42:03 Vsekakor, delaj zase kar hočeš in piši kar sama hočeš.  In jaz le delam in komentiram kar hočem ;)

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by zvezdni_angel on 13.03.2005 at 21:18:37 Veš kaj še, vsak je odgovoren zase in zavit v vato še nobeden ni zrasu, vsaka izkušnja ti nekaj da, tako ali drugače.

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by db on 13.03.2005 at 21:51:58 .. itak, 100%, izkušnja, to je to,  ima težo....

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 13.03.2005 at 22:02:16 Ni treba vsaku izkušnju doživeti. Prebrala sem lep stavek o tem.. ,  govori da ni treba doživeti pad sa nebotičnika naj bi človek vedel da po takem padu umre..

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by db on 13.03.2005 at 22:04:02 ... res je, ne veš pa kako lepo je jadrat če nisi poskusil.

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by zvezdni_angel on 13.03.2005 at 22:07:11 Na "žalost" do sebe prit ne moreš po izkušnjah drugih, moreš kar sam vase zagrist.

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by db on 13.03.2005 at 22:07:49 wrote on 13.03.2005 at 21:51:58: .. itak, 100%, izkušnja, to je to,  ima težo....   :) ..seveda...      to je to...

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 13.03.2005 at 22:27:00 zvezdni_angel wrote on 13.03.2005 at 22:07:11: Na "žalost" do sebe prit ne moreš po izkušnjah drugih, moreš kar sam vase zagrist. In seveda nisi vase zagrizla če nisi bla v kaktusarni ;) ;D a je to point? ;) :)

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by db on 13.03.2005 at 22:34:55 ..ne, ni point v kaktusarni, pač pa v osebni izkušnji, tako ali drugače, po tej ali oni poti....   izkušnja...     Lahko teoriziram, berem knjnige 300 let, pa ....   - nič. "Pameten bom",  kao,   brez izkušnje,  ..ko bo izkušnja, ne rabim knige,  takrat vem.. ... . .

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by zvezdni_angel on 13.03.2005 at 22:39:18 Sory, INdigo ma je že prov smešno.

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by zvezdni_angel on 13.03.2005 at 22:40:51 A bi menjali temo?

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by indigo on 13.03.2005 at 23:08:30 Če kdo želi da v tem topicu ''pejotl'' bomo govorili o drugim zadevam pozabili bomo kaj komentiramo... Jaz poskusim držat nitku .. in mislim da je to ok.  Men zadeva ni smešna, prej v časih žalostna.. in zato ker se ne razumemo dovolj. db, dobro to ti govoriš, izkušnja mora biti, samo mnenja sem da je izguba časa in še nevarno vse izkusit. Jaz osebno izbiram duhovni avtoritet, + posvetne nasvete in vidim da je učinkovito, ''dela''. Vi izbirajte sebi po lastnem občutku, srečno :) :) Ne bom več pisala tuki, mislim da je dovolj, moje mnenje sem dala. Pozdravček :)

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by zvezdni_angel on 13.03.2005 at 23:14:59 Sory, sm mislila da bi se menli o čem drugem ,. na topicu odvisno od teme, ki bi jo izbrali, ker je ta zate malo občutljiva , mogoče o mučenicah, ki bodo rešile svet

Title: Re: pejotl ... Post by ixtlan on 14.03.2005 at 01:30:21 men je bla tut všeč izkušnja s pejotlom, na Sun Islandu Titi-Kaka lakea...čudovito je bilo! to je tradicionalna šamansko-indijanska rastlina, del kulture...bistveno boljša in manj nevarna kot alkohol, kateremu so zapadli indijanci po obdobju španskih konkvistadorjih...in iz alkohola jih je izvlekla tradicija, katere del je tudi pejotl / san pedro in povezani rituali... skratka sveta rastlina zanje... in tudi zame

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