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potreba po osnovni moralni in duhovni izobrazbi
09.04.2007 at 08:55:58
 
Hari bol.

Kopiram clanek mojega duhovnega ucitelja, ki je bil lani poleti objavljen v glavnem indijskem casopisu Hindustan Times, ki pa ni aktualen in pomemben le za Indijo, temvec za cel svet. Ce bi kdo rad prevod in/ali dodatno razlago, naj mi prosim sporoci. Clanek je lepo sprejel ze nas predsednik drzave g. Drnovsek, nameravam pa ga poslati tudi predsedniku vlade, z zeljo po pomoci v smislu prakticne uvedbe. Tudi vasa mnenja so dobrodosla.  



All Glory to Sree Guru and Gauranga


Necessity of moral and spiritual training in Education

The present-day world appears to be running fast towards destruction.

     As per Indian scriptural evidence, the conditioned souls are enveloped by Lord’s illusory energy consisting of three primal qualities— Sattva, Rajah, and Tamah. ‘Tamah’ indicates tendency to commit vice or to inflict injury. In fact, tamah tendency has now engulfed the whole world and is spreading over like fire and showing it’s most monstrous destructive ugly appearance.

     The sagacious persons are bewildered to find any solution of this terrible tendency of violence.

By Rajah-guna living beings are created, by Sattva-guna they are maintained and by Tama-guna they are destroyed. Living beings are non-eternal. Human beings are the best amongst all kinds of created species, because they have got the discriminating power between good and bad, eternal and non-eternal, vice and virtue. Eating, sleeping, defending and mating are equal in beasts and human beings but human beings are superior because of their discriminating power. Practically it is demonstrated now that the human beings have become the greatest enemy of their own species. They are causing unnatural deaths without considering the innocence of the killed— whether they are children or women, whom the killers have never seen and who have never done any harm to the killers. It is the greatest shame of such human beings to claim the false vanity of being the best amongst created beings.

Lord does not think much about sins of other living beings who have got no such discriminating power. They do actions out of instinct. But God has bestowed discriminating power to human beings. In spite of that if they commit heinous crimes, surely they will be punished. They will never be spared. They are lowering the status of humanity. We may commit heinous crimes by deceiving ignorant human beings, beasts and birds, but we cannot deceive Supreme Lord Who is Omniscient. Lord is residing in the heart of every individual soul.

‘karmanye va dhikaraste ma phaleshu kadachana’ —Bhagavad Gita

     As human being has got relative independence, he can do good and bad deeds by good or bad use of his relative independence. But the fruits of those deeds are controlled by Supreme Lord and not by conditioned souls of the world. Out of ignorance, conditioned souls always have the aptitude to blame others for their sufferings.

     When human beings have lost the capacity to understand difference between civilisation and non-civilisation, good and bad, they have lost everything. There is one pithy saying to know the criterion to understand which is good and bad, beneficial and non-beneficial— ‘When wealth is lost, nothing is lost; when health is lost, something is lost; and when character is lost, everything is lost.’ Now there is competition of who can become more wealthy, mutual rivalry between haves and have-nots. This wrong conception and rivalry between haves and have-nots have engulfed the whole human race and they are becoming more and more ferocious and murderous. Even some of them have got the ghastly mentality of endeavouring to invent horrible bombs to destroy all living beings. Is it the criterion to understand development of civilization? But this most heinous mentality is spreading like fire very fast, which may ultimately lead to complete destruction. The sensible persons should think now very seriously to save the situation from such devastation. The highest importance should be given now for character building of the human society. The root cause of such venom is false ego— wrong conception of self, consequently causing false interests. Those who have lost the basic knowledge of self-realisation have become completely blind and they are making others blind.

     Indian saints have given knowledge of that path of self-realisation by holding discourses on authentic scriptures and by writings. Only theoretical knowledge is not sufficient, there should also be practical spiritual life. ‘Example is better than precept’. This must be started forthwith and introduced in education system. Character building is the backbone of the nation and human civilized society. But most important is that the instructor should have practical moral and spiritual character. ‘Don’t follow me, follow my lecture’ should not be the way of teaching. Only theoretical lectures without practical life will not be actually effective.

     In oxford dictionary, ‘Education’ is defined as— systematic instruction, course of this, development of character; ‘Character’ is defined as— mental or moral qualities. The word ‘secular’ is very often used in Education. As per Oxford dictionary, secular means— ‘concerned with the affairs of the world, not spiritual, not sacred’. When secular word is not sacred, what is the reason to feel hesitation in introducing basic moral and spiritual education to children and the youth? If citizens of the country have got no basic moral and spiritual qualities, how can we think about good governance of the country by the citizens without moral and spiritual backbone?
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Re: potreba po osnovni moralni in duhovni izobrazb
Reply #1 - 09.04.2007 at 10:35:12
 
Yess, pravilno + resnično + dobro povedano  Cheesy Shocked Cool Exclaim. Torej, upam, da se bodo zadeve začele bolj pospeševati - na bolje  Smiley. Sicer pa je to isto še bolje povedano v Novem Razodetju  Cool . Vendar, so bistvena dejanja , zato je tudi to dobro , ker gre v pravo smer  Exclaim. Torej, le tako naprej Cool .
In, lep, Jasen, Sončen Dan, naj razsvetli vaše duše + srca, da iz njih izgine vsa tema za vso večnost , vam želim Boštii  Smiley.
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Re: potreba po osnovni moralni in duhovni izobrazb
Reply #2 - 09.04.2007 at 12:34:46
 
Madan_Gopal_Das, kdo je tvoj duhovni učitelj? Tudi jaz bi rad spoznal popolnega mojstra, sem mislil, da sem ga že, oz. da sem naletel nanj in na njegov nauk - Gurinder Dhillon Singh od Sant Mat, Radhaswami Beas, pa nisem čisto prepričan.

Poleg tega nisem več čisto prepričan, če lahko v tem svetu, tej iluzornosti Maye, sploh obstaja razsvetljen mojster - ker ko se z jutrom prebudiš iz sanj, nimaš do sanj pretekle noči več nobene zveze. Poleg tega tudi veš, da si vse osebe v celotnem vesolju sam ustvaril, oz. da jih je ustvaril tvoj um, ki je Maya že sam po sebi, in tako sploh ne vidiš nikogar, ki bi mu moral pomagati iz iluzije. S smrtjo uma se je razblinilo tudi vesolje in vse osebe v njem.
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Re: potreba po osnovni moralni in duhovni izobrazb
Reply #3 - 09.04.2007 at 14:18:16
 
Poet wrote on 09.04.2007 at 12:34:46:
Madan_Gopal_Das, kdo je tvoj duhovni učitelj? Tudi jaz bi rad spoznal popolnega mojstra, sem mislil, da sem ga že, oz. da sem naletel nanj in na njegov nauk - Gurinder Dhillon Singh od Sant Mat, Radhaswami Beas, pa nisem čisto prepričan.

Poleg tega nisem več čisto prepričan, če lahko v tem svetu, tej iluzornosti Maye, sploh obstaja razsvetljen mojster - ker ko se z jutrom prebudiš iz sanj, nimaš do sanj pretekle noči več nobene zveze. Poleg tega tudi veš, da si vse osebe v celotnem vesolju sam ustvaril, oz. da jih je ustvaril tvoj um, ki je Maya že sam po sebi, in tako sploh ne vidiš nikogar, ki bi mu moral pomagati iz iluzije. S smrtjo uma se je razblinilo tudi vesolje in vse osebe v njem.

moj duhovni ucitelj je Srila Bhakti Ballabh Tirtha Gosvami Maharaj.

ta materialni svet je resnicen, a zacasen. je ustvarjen in unicen. poleg tega obstaja se duhovni svet, ki ni nikoli unicen. ta materialni svet je v bistvu zapor, za duse, ki so nenaklonjene Bogu. tu se zmotno poistovecamo z materijo in zato trpimo. ko se predamo Bogu, smo lahko reseni iluzije, da smo materija. Bog je vecna in vrhovna oseba. mi smo tud vecne osebe, a smo vecno podrejeni Bogu, ki je edini uzivalec in lastnik vsega in vsakogar. ce se z zlorabo svoje relativne svobodne volje obrnemo stran od Boga, nas zavede Njegova iluzorna energija in za to je bil ustvarjen tudi ta materialni svet. v tem materialnem svetu se po svoji vsemogocni volji vcasih pojavi sam Bog, vcasih pa se tu pojavijo Njegovi osebni spremljevalci, da nas zavedene duse poskusajo prepricat naj se prostovoljno obrnemo k Bogu in tko dosezemo popolnost svojga obstoja, tj. vecno ljubezen do Boga in do vseh zivih bitij v odnosu do Boga.
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Reply #4 - 09.04.2007 at 22:02:16
 
Uuuf, Madan, spet si dobro tole razložil Cheesy . Le tako naprej , pot je dobra  Cool.
+ Lep pozdrav by Bošti  Wink
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Re: potreba po osnovni moralni in duhovni izobrazb
Reply #5 - 10.04.2007 at 10:04:45
 
dobr je reku
Srila Bhakti Ballabh Tirtha Gosvami Maharaj

nism čist useh besed zastopu ... ampak je dobr reku



Poet wrote on 09.04.2007 at 12:34:46:
S smrtjo uma se je razblinilo tudi vesolje in vse osebe v njem.

kolkr jest razumem nas je useen umov velik velik - in smo povezani - eno provzaprov
in tud če edn odmre ... nima panike - iluzija se vzdržuje naprej ...
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Re: potreba po osnovni moralni in duhovni izobrazb
Reply #6 - 10.04.2007 at 11:17:52
 
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nameravam pa ga poslati tudi predsedniku vlade, z zeljo po pomoci v smislu prakticne uvedbe

Smiley

ne splaca se bit podrejen svojem laznemu egu oz. laznim egom drugih pogojenih dus. da pa se lahko osvobodis svojega in od drugih laznega ega, pa se mors predat Bogu, tj. sprejet in delovat iz svojega pravega ega, ki je vecni sluga Boga.

Hari bol.
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nameravam pa ga poslati tudi predsedniku vlade, z zeljo po pomoci v smislu prakticne uvedbe

Smiley

ne splaca se bit podrejen svojem laznemu egu oz. laznim egom drugih pogojenih dus. da pa se lahko osvobodis svojega in od drugih laznega ega, pa se mors predat Bogu, tj. sprejet in delovat iz svojega pravega ega, ki je vecni sluga Boga.

Hari bol.


pozdravljen,

a to pomeni da pisma ne boš poslal?

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Re: potreba po osnovni moralni in duhovni izobrazb
Reply #8 - 10.04.2007 at 13:23:04
 
vida wrote on 10.04.2007 at 12:53:07:
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nameravam pa ga poslati tudi predsedniku vlade, z zeljo po pomoci v smislu prakticne uvedbe

Smiley

ne splaca se bit podrejen svojem laznemu egu oz. laznim egom drugih pogojenih dus. da pa se lahko osvobodis svojega in od drugih laznega ega, pa se mors predat Bogu, tj. sprejet in delovat iz svojega pravega ega, ki je vecni sluga Boga.

Hari bol.


pozdravljen,

a to pomeni da pisma ne boš poslal?


sem ga ze in tudi dobil povratnico, da so ga na uradu prejeli.

hotu sm povedat, da mu ga bom poslal, on pa naj z njim pocne kar hoce. da nisem od njega odvisen ali bom sel v prakticno uvedbo ali ne. vsak mora delat sam. noben drug ne more namest mene delat. ko se enkrat ze spravs delat, pa ti lahko kdo pri tem pomaga ali pa ne. rezultate delovanj vedno daje Bog. drugi so lahko le instrumenti v rokah Boga.

vse je odvisn od Boga.
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nameravam pa ga poslati tudi predsedniku vlade, z zeljo po pomoci v smislu prakticne uvedbe

Smiley

ne splaca se bit podrejen svojem laznemu egu oz. laznim egom drugih pogojenih dus. da pa se lahko osvobodis svojega in od drugih laznega ega, pa se mors predat Bogu, tj. sprejet in delovat iz svojega pravega ega, ki je vecni sluga Boga.

Hari bol.


pozdravljen,

a to pomeni da pisma ne boš poslal?


sem ga ze in tudi dobil povratnico, da so ga na uradu prejeli.

hotu sm povedat, da mu ga bom poslal, on pa naj z njim pocne kar hoce. da nisem od njega odvisen ali bom sel v prakticno uvedbo ali ne. vsak mora delat sam. noben drug ne more namest mene delat. ko se enkrat ze spravs delat, pa ti lahko kdo pri tem pomaga ali pa ne. rezultate delovanj vedno daje Bog. drugi so lahko le instrumenti v rokah Boga.

vse je odvisn od Boga.


se strinjam, da mora vsak delat sam. Če pa bi imeli krajši delovni čas, s tem pa več časa za osnovno izobrazbo v tej smeri, pa tudi ne bi škodilo.
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Reply #10 - 12.04.2007 at 11:14:30
 
ali pa da morda nehamo delat ... je sploh treba delat ? ... za vso to materialno kramo ... saj potem ne vemo kam z njo  Huh
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Reply #11 - 12.04.2007 at 11:36:14
 
Dobr' razmišljaš, Vida , ...  Smiley Cool
vendar, zaznavam, da so to samo priprave , kot delovne navade za kasnejšo dejavnost v večnem duhovnem svetu  Cool.
Ker vemo ; " nedelo je Satanovo delo " , ... a ne ?  Wink
Torej se moramo ogniti vsaki lenobi na daleč .
In, tako se začne učenje za delovanje, življenje že  tukaj z navadnim, fizičnim delom, nadaljuje pa z duhovnim  Cool.
Šele onstran se pokažejo pravi učinki ,  Shocked...
Torej, le pogumno  Cool  Cheesy
Lp, by Bošti  Wink
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Reply #12 - 12.04.2007 at 11:37:57
 
Boštyxz wrote on 12.04.2007 at 11:36:14:
Dobr' razmišljaš, Vida , ...  Smiley Cool


a ne de  Cheesy
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Reply #13 - 12.04.2007 at 11:42:15
 
In, kaj porečeš na moj zgornji "popravek" ?  Roll Eyes
Ne na "križanju", ampak dve objavi višje na tej strani ...  Cheesy
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Reply #14 - 12.04.2007 at 12:03:43
 
Boštyxz wrote on 12.04.2007 at 11:42:15:
In, kaj porečeš na moj zgornji "popravek" ?  Roll Eyes


misliš na "križanju" ?
Ti bom kar tam napisala.
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