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kdo pa je to "vesolje", ki je socutno?

a je lahko nekaj impersonalnega socutno oz. ljubece?

vida wrote on 30.09.2003 at 10:09:38:

si jo ti ze?

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Najt smisu v trpljenju ma lahko dost pomenov. Za katerga ti praviš, da je zanstveno potrjeno prinaša srečo?  Je sreča v prizadevanju, da ga premaguješ? Je njegov smisu v tem, da ti misel in dejanja pomaga usmerjat tko, da se ga izogibaš in ga ne povzročaš? Da se mu nastviš in ga sprejmeš po  odrešiteljsko/kristusovosko?

...    ???  

titud wrote on 30.09.2003 at 10:15:49:

Q. Why is there suffering?

A. In the grand scheme of things, suffering serves as negative impetus for the non-liberated to move in the direction of liberation. Otherwise we perceive suffering when we act against our own interest, misconstruing ourselves (units of consciousness) to be matter (mind and body). Why do we do this in spite of so much practical experience and good advice? There is no good reason for it, rather it arises out of poor reasoning.

pa se tole, nadaljevanje. prosim preberi pozorno.

Q. If you do not know the actual cause of your suffering, how can that suffering help you?

A. While it is true that we may not be aware of our past that appears as our present suffering, human life gives us the opportunity to become aware of the dynamics of this karmic reality. Scripture speaks to human society. If in human life we choose to ignore scripture, we suffer as a consequence of pursuing ignorance over knowledge. Even without the help of scripture, it should be apparent to any thoughtful person that there are consequences from our actions.

Either this truth is not absolute, or not all of the consequences of our actions are immediately experienced or visible. Scripture confirms the latter. What is the value of suffering without knowing why one is suffering? In answer one can ask what value there is in saying one does not know why he is suffering after ignoring the one (scripture) who explains the reason to him.

The law of karma does not directly involve God. He is not responsible for its response to our thoughts and actions. A moral God has not superimposed the law of karma on the world. Material nature exists for the jiva souls and they in turn give life to material nature. The moral nature of the law of karma, its determination of good and bad expressed as punishment and reward, is stern, honest, and austere. It is not particularly merciful or compassionate. Nature will respond to any thought or action we indulge in by creating circumstances that balance them out. Nature facilitates the fruition of all of the jiva souls' tendencies (samskaras), allowing them to work out their destiny.

This is simply the nature of the world, one activated by ourselves since time immemorial. Human life is meant for self realization and God realization. If one demonstrates that he is not interested in this, nature facilitates that which he is interested in appropriately, which often involves providing a body other than a human one that is better suited for the pursuit one one's interest. We can learn about this from scripture. Now you know, so you cannot plead ignorance in the future.

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A pol nič več ne drži tisto, ko si še pred kratkim pisala o svojih bolečih izkušnjah iz odnosov  ???

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Smisel hiše je življenjski prostor. Hiša sama zase tvori svoj smisel. Osnovno bistvo hiše je streha nad glavo in zaščita pred vremenskimi vplivi... Smisel šalce za kavo je pitje kave iz nje.

Uporabnost predvsem dodeljuje smisel.

Iskreno povedano prav veliko smisla ne vidim v eni Mona Lisi in temu pomenu, ki ji ga pripisujejo.  

En razigran, vesel otrok ima v sebi milijonkrat več iskrivosti, skrivnosti, ljubezni, kot pomešane barve na platnu. Pa sem se sprehodil mimo slikce, in kaj vidu; na stotine Japoncev, ki so fanatično škljocali s fotoaparati in bežali pred varnostniki v muzeju. In sem vidu nove smisle. Smisel norih Japoncev, katerih smisel jim je v Pariz pridet smiselno sprovucirat smiselne varnostnike...

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Ne vidim niti smisla v treh smislih. Smisel, tukaj zdaj je le eden. Ne vem zakaj je potreba smisel razdrobljat znotraj sebe.

Smisel je življenje živet. Ni drugega smisla.