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Jezus ni bil edini, vsekakor pa ne prvi ... odrešenik
04.06.2010 at 11:48:03
 
Saj vem, da tu navzočim ni treba posebej tumbat tega, ampak naletel sem na knjigico iz leta 1875, kjer so lepo našteti vsi božji sinovi in primerjava  Kritusom. Zanimivo čtivo. In ne ni od Acharye  Cool

http://www.rexresearch.com/articles2/graves16.htm#1

(aja, sem hotel tole dat med duhovnost in znanost, pa mi nekako ni sedlo tja ....)
((jeba; sem prenesel zadevo v word za arhivke namene in uganite koliko je strani? preveč ....  Angry   221 - ob privzetih nastavitvah strani!))

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PREFACE.

INVERSELY to the remoteness of time has been man's ascent toward the temple of knowledge. Truth has made its ingress into the human mind in the ratio by which man has attained the capacity to receive and appreciate it. Hence, as we tread back the meandering pathway of human history, every step in the receding process brings us to a lower plane of intelligence and a state of mind more thoroughly encrusted with ignorance and superstition. It is, therefore, no source of surprise to learn, when we take a survey of the world two or three thousand years in the past, that every religious writer of that era committed errors on every subject which employed his pen, involving a scientific principle. Hence, the bible, or sacred book, to which he was a contributor, is now found to bear the marks of human imperfection. For the temple of knowledge was but partially reared, and its chambers but dimly lighted up. The intellectual brain was in a dark, feeble and dormant condition. Hence, the moral and religious feelings were drifted about without a pilot on the turbulent waves of superstition, and finally stranded on the shoals of bigotry. The Christian bible, like other bibles, having been written in an age when science was but budding into life, and philosophy had attained but a feeble growth, should be expected to teach many things incompatible with the principles of modern science. And accordingly it is found to contain, like other bibles, numerous statements so obviously at war with present established scientific truths that almost any school-boy, at the present day, can demonstrate their falsity. Let the unbiased reader examine and compare the oriental and Christian bibles together, and he will note the following facts, viz:—

1. That the cardinal religious conceptions of all bibles are essentially the same—all running in parable grooves.

2. That every chapter of every bible is but a transcript of the mental chart of the writer.

3. That no bible, pagan or Christian, contains anything surpassing the natural, mental and moral capacity of the writer to originate. And hence no divine aid or inspiration was necessary for its production.

4. That the moral and religious teachings of no bible reach a higher altitude than the intelligence and mental development of the age and country which produced it.

That the Christian bible, in some respects, is superior to some of the other bibles, but only to the extent to which the age in which it was written was superior in intelligence and natural mental capacity to the era in which the older bibles were penned; and that this superiority consists not its more exalted religious conceptions, but only in the fact that, being of more modern origin, the progress of mind had worn away some of the legendary rubbish of the past. Being written in a later and more enlightened age, it is consequently a little less encrusted with mythological tradition and oriental imagery. Though not free from these elements, it possesses them in less degree. And by comparing Christ's history with those of the oriental Gods, it will be found:—

1. That he taught no new doctrine or moral precept.

2. That he inculcated the same religion and morality, which he elaborated, as other moral teachers, to great extremes.

3. That Christ differs so little in his character, preaching, and practical life from some of the oriental Gods, that no person whose mind is not deplorably warped and biased by early training can call one divine while he considers the other human.

That if Christ was a God, then all were Gods.

THE AUTHOR.
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Re: Jezus ni bil edini, vsekakor pa ne prvi ... odrešenik
Reply #1 - 04.06.2010 at 13:31:16
 
Zdravo kreten40!

Malo sem pogledal ta "analitični" prispevek iz 19. stoletja  Wink. Res je kar star, ampak še v tistem času so bili analizirani res božji sinovi, ki so povečini obstajali pred Jezusom Kristusom - vsekakor niso pozabili na Mohameda, ki je bil nekoliko poznej.
Kaj pa je z vsemi odrešeniki, Učitelji, ki niso tako znani in izhajajo iz Indije? Če tisti Avtor navaja davno zgodovino nekdanje živeče odrešenike, potem pa naj nekdo še poišče seznam novejših odrešenikov. Toda z avtorjem se je strinjati, da je moč v odrešenikih ravno izhaja od Boga Očeta in se prenese na novo telo, hja na način brezmadežnega spočetja. Morda, ampak to je še en mit, v katerega ne verjamem. Tole z brezmadežnim spočetjem.  Roll Eyes Že sam Jezus je pravil, da se je treba po mesenem rojstvu še drugič roditi in to v Duhu - tedaj se lahko tisti človek smatra za odrešenega ponovnega rojstva. Odrešeni pa še ni ta mesija, odrešenik ali Učitelj. Eno je biti osvobojena duša, popolni odrešeni ali Svetnik, nekaj drugega pa mesija, Učitelj, ki je Odrešenik. Da se lahko sploh nekdo odreši tega iluzornega materialnega sveta, potrebuje pomoč Učitelja, Odrešenika. Pot do odrešitve se nikol ni in ne bo učila po pisnih virih ali celo ritualih. Takšna Pot je lahko možna le v vzajemnem odnosu med učencem in Učiteljem, je povsem praktična pot, v kateri Učitelj pouči učenca/e s primerno metodo, mu da zaščito, napotke za čisto in etično življenje, mu nesebično pomaga in daje blagoslove. Vse to v zameno za služenje drugim, tudi Učitelju in s predanostjo. Brez materialnega bogastva in slave se je to vedno dogajalo skozi prizmo čistega duhovnega odnosa.
Tolik na kratko iz izkušenj to povem. Kolik odrešenikov je bilo? Učitelji o tem pravijo, da je to odkar obstaja človeštvo, natančneje odkar so se formirali nižji nivoji Stvarstva. Nivoji Stvarstva pa so ena posebna zgodba.  Smiley



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Re: Jezus ni bil edini, vsekakor pa ne prvi ... odrešenik
Reply #2 - 05.06.2010 at 12:20:56
 
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Saj vem, da tu navzočim ni treba posebej tumbat tega, ampak naletel sem na knjigico iz leta 1875, kjer so lepo našteti vsi božji sinovi in primerjava  Kritusom. Zanimivo čtivo. In ne ni od Acharye  Cool

http://www.rexresearch.com/articles2/graves16.htm#1

(aja, sem hotel tole dat med duhovnost in znanost, pa mi nekako ni sedlo tja ....)
((jeba; sem prenesel zadevo v word za arhivke namene in uganite koliko je strani? preveč ....  Angry   221 - ob privzetih nastavitvah strani!))

Malo za pokušino:

PREFACE.

INVERSELY to the remoteness of time has been man's ascent toward the temple of knowledge. Truth has made its ingress into the human mind in the ratio by which man has attained the capacity to receive and appreciate it. Hence, as we tread back the meandering pathway of human history, every step in the receding process brings us to a lower plane of intelligence and a state of mind more thoroughly encrusted with ignorance and superstition. It is, therefore, no source of surprise to learn, when we take a survey of the world two or three thousand years in the past, that every religious writer of that era committed errors on every subject which employed his pen, involving a scientific principle. Hence, the bible, or sacred book, to which he was a contributor, is now found to bear the marks of human imperfection. For the temple of knowledge was but partially reared, and its chambers but dimly lighted up. The intellectual brain was in a dark, feeble and dormant condition. Hence, the moral and religious feelings were drifted about without a pilot on the turbulent waves of superstition, and finally stranded on the shoals of bigotry. The Christian bible, like other bibles, having been written in an age when science was but budding into life, and philosophy had attained but a feeble growth, should be expected to teach many things incompatible with the principles of modern science. And accordingly it is found to contain, like other bibles, numerous statements so obviously at war with present established scientific truths that almost any school-boy, at the present day, can demonstrate their falsity. Let the unbiased reader examine and compare the oriental and Christian bibles together, and he will note the following facts, viz:—

1. That the cardinal religious conceptions of all bibles are essentially the same—all running in parable grooves.

2. That every chapter of every bible is but a transcript of the mental chart of the writer.

3. That no bible, pagan or Christian, contains anything surpassing the natural, mental and moral capacity of the writer to originate. And hence no divine aid or inspiration was necessary for its production.

4. That the moral and religious teachings of no bible reach a higher altitude than the intelligence and mental development of the age and country which produced it.

That the Christian bible, in some respects, is superior to some of the other bibles, but only to the extent to which the age in which it was written was superior in intelligence and natural mental capacity to the era in which the older bibles were penned; and that this superiority consists not its more exalted religious conceptions, but only in the fact that, being of more modern origin, the progress of mind had worn away some of the legendary rubbish of the past. Being written in a later and more enlightened age, it is consequently a little less encrusted with mythological tradition and oriental imagery. Though not free from these elements, it possesses them in less degree. And by comparing Christ's history with those of the oriental Gods, it will be found:—

1. That he taught no new doctrine or moral precept.

2. That he inculcated the same religion and morality, which he elaborated, as other moral teachers, to great extremes.

3. That Christ differs so little in his character, preaching, and practical life from some of the oriental Gods, that no person whose mind is not deplorably warped and biased by early training can call one divine while he considers the other human.

That if Christ was a God, then all were Gods.

THE AUTHOR.


Indija pozna nešteto avatarjev, Jezus je le eden med mnogimi. To že sami vemo, če hočemo videt, ampak žal so nekateri prepričani, da obstaja samo en odrešenik, Jezus, drugih ni. Indoktrinacija brez logične podlage, že če pogledamo, vsi poznamo Krišno, Budo, Mohameda, Jezusa, avatarji pa so se pojavljaliže davno prej, samo eden izmed njih, Rama, ki je zgradil most, ki je viden celo na satelitskih posnetkih.

http://www.skyimagelab.com/hanmonbrid.html
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