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Re: Opozorilo!
Reply #30 - 31.01.2005 at 08:21:53
 
Ne, point je v - opozorilu.

Vem, kaj si mislil pod `verodostojnost`, sam mi ni jasno od kje ideja da ni oseb/e v tem topicu ki bi lahko `verodostojno` debatirala. Mislim, da je, folk ki ima izkušnje in/ali pa osebni stik. In ta folk ve.
V našem kraju je št. strmo padlo, kako pa je drugje v Slo?, imam bad filing da ne ravno najboljše, v soboto sem se pogovarjal in je na primorskem baje vedno večja štala, in ne samo to, iz vedno živahnega obmorskega dela se vstrajno seli tudi v primorsko zaledje ki je več ali manj imel mir pred tem. Do predkratkim. Da o blokovskih naseljih ne debatira.  `Markovci`, že dolgo in še vedno.

Biče bolje.

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Re: Opozorilo!
Reply #31 - 31.01.2005 at 08:54:52
 
gape wrote on 30.01.2005 at 12:45:56:
se reče ... kaj pa sploh lahko naredim za to da takim ljudem pomagam, ali drugače, kaj naj naredim da bo družba producirala manj takih ljudi?
kaj pa dejansko za to tud naredim?
delam?
sploh kej?



Največ kar lahko naredim je to da odreagiram na izziv v svojem okolju, se prav v družini, na delovnem mestu, v klubu itd., se pravi tam kjer sem osebno v odnosu z ljudmi in s konkretnimi problemi.
Na vse drugo nimam vpliva ... ali pa, se ravnokar sprašujem. Na Kalijin prispevek sem odreagirala, je že exo napisal pa kljub temu še enkrat, ker se meni osebno zdi nesprejemljivo sprejemat družbeno zlo. Nekateri na tem forumu imate  drugačno teorijo, to je teorijo sprejemanja v katero pa jaz ne morem verjet. Sprejemanje pride po moje v poštev le takrat, ko se v življenju znajdeš sam v resnični stiski in si poskusil reševat problem pa nikakor ni šlo in ti je na koncu ostalo le še sprejetje dane situacije.
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Reply #32 - 31.01.2005 at 09:00:38
 
vida wrote on 31.01.2005 at 08:54:52:
Sprejemanje pride po moje v poštev le takrat, ko se v življenju znajdeš sam v resnični stiski in si poskusil reševat problem pa nikakor ni šlo in ti je na koncu ostalo le še sprejetje dane situacije.
Sprejemanje ni poraz.
Potrebno je Sprejeti tudi `slabe` stvari v okolici in tvojem lajfu, ne samo dobrih, tistih ki se nam svetlikajo in so nam všeč.
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Reply #33 - 31.01.2005 at 09:38:53
 
A zate je sprejemanje - nedelovanje/neukrepanje?

(kaj je zdaj z tistima dvema dečkotoma?)
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Reply #34 - 31.01.2005 at 09:53:57
 
Meni se zdi sprejemanje, da si ne zatiskam oči ampak tisto nekaj sprejmem kot del realnosti, del sveta kjer sem.
Kar pa še zdaleč ne pomeni - nedejavnosti/neukrepanja.
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Re: Opozorilo!
Reply #35 - 31.01.2005 at 10:03:21
 
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Meni se zdi sprejemanje, da si ne zatiskam oči ampak tisto nekaj sprejmem kot del realnosti, del sveta kjer sem.
Kar pa še zdaleč ne pomeni - nedejavnosti/neukrepanja.


Bom poskušala tole misel ponazorit - recimo, če ti bo nekdo serviral namaz namesto s peteršiljem in limono z "blatom", boš to sprejel kot del realnosti, kot del sveta  ???
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Reply #36 - 31.01.2005 at 10:08:22
 
vida wrote on 31.01.2005 at 10:03:21:
Bom poskušala tole misel ponazorit - recimo, če ti bo nekdo serviral namaz namesto s peteršiljem in limono z "blatom", boš to sprejel kot del realnosti, kot del sveta  ???


Itak da ga bom sprejel kot realnost, le kaj češ drugega?, - in namaz seveda zavrnil, ga vrgel vstran,  nikakor pa si ne bom zatiskal oči in slepo verjel kako lepo sem sprejet in s kakšnimi dobrinami me razvajajo.
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Reply #37 - 31.01.2005 at 10:13:11
 
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Itak da ga bom sprejel kot realnost, le kaj češ drugega?, - in namaz seveda zavrnil, ga vrgel vstran,  nikakor pa si ne bom zatiskal oči in slepo verjel kako lepo sem sprejet in s kakšnimi dobrinami me razvajajo.
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ne ni ok... sprejel ... zavrnil ... sprejel ... vse obenem  ???
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Reply #38 - 31.01.2005 at 10:14:02
 
vozima vsak po svoji cesti vidim..

sam ni panike, 100 ljudi 100 čudi
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Reply #39 - 31.01.2005 at 10:18:50
 
Tako kot jaz tukaj berem stvari, db enači nesprejemanje z naivnostjo.

A ti misliš, db, da mi, ki smo manj "sprejemajoči" od tebe, ne vemo, da je nasvetu tudi droga? Shocked Lips Sealed
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Re: Opozorilo!
Reply #40 - 31.01.2005 at 20:10:37
 
o sprejemanju si boste pa še mal prečitale a ne ...



me zanima, sineoka, zakaj mislš, da pa jest nism meu takih sošolcov NIKOL?
niti u osnovni šoli
niti u srednji (rekordni čas obiskovanja) - razen enga, ki pa nisem spremlju njegove zgodbe več (in sploh pa ni bil sploh moj sošolc ... provzaprov), pol ko se je odloču kolkr se je odloču - se pa prov dobr spomnem, ko sm ga prašu, pa zakaj (si sploh probu) ... in je reku ... da diler ni meu ganđe na zalogi ...
probi razumet moj pogled na to
niti na faxu nism nikogar tazga spoznal.
sm ... ko sm se tko odloču, z raziskavo uno od aure ...
in morm rečt ... sm spoznal kr neki teh ljudi, ki so jedl heroin in za zelo mal njih lahko rečem da pašejo v opis heroinarja kot si ga napisala sinjeoka ...

zakaj si ti morala met take sošolce (v osnovni šoli že) jest ne vem, se mi pa hudo dobr zdi ...


še enkrat bom reku ... ne gre se za to da bi kdo od njih zahtevu naj prekinejo, ker vsi vemo, ki smo se poglobil v to, da to tko ne gre, treba odpravit vzroke ...
tko kt povsod drugje ...

in opozarjat na nevarnost ... tko kot vsazga druzga človeka ...
človk je človk ... vsak ma svoje napake ...
tud ... kolkr subjektivno že gledate na reči ... skozi prizmo dobro slabo ... mislm da lahko najdete več ljudi ki naredijo sebi in/ali svetu še mnogo bolj 'slabe' stvari kot pa heroinarji ...
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Re: Opozorilo!
Reply #41 - 15.02.2005 at 18:35:22
 
exodus wrote on 29.01.2005 at 13:46:57:
. Tale fim - Requiem fo a dream pa jaz osebno zapečem in mu pošljem na dom, če si ga kdo želi imeti, ker ga še ni gledal....


zelo bi si želela ogledati ta film in ga dati tudi enemu mojemu sorodniku, ki se mi zdi je že zelo globoko zabredel. Prosim sporoči ceno in kako se to naroči. Najlepša hvala.
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Reply #42 - 24.02.2005 at 04:57:29
 
What Next?
The first step in working with your emotions is to realize that
emotions, including negative ones, are a natural part of being human. You will want to learn to accept and affirm anything that you are thinking and feeling, and not reject it.

If you are feeling sad, then you, a person of worth and beauty, are
experiencing sadness. The sadness is separate from you. You couldn't be observing it unless it was separate from you. Just accept your experience by acknowledging and affirming it. This emotion of sadness is a real living child of energy within you. Treat it with love and tenderness as any loving parent would do.

Are You A Creator or A Victim?
We are all either creators or victims. If we believe that we have no
choices and that we are powerless in life, we will live life from a
victim point of view. If we take responsibility for our lives and are
aware of how we create our experiences from our beliefs and
perceptions, we will live life from the point of view of a creator.
If we create something we don't like, then we can create something
else that we like better.

The most important decision we will ever make is whether we are a
victim or a creator. According to universal law, it can't be both
ways. Either we are all creators or we are all victims. If we are all
creators (which we are), then everybody is creating their life
perfectly for their growing and evolving needs. They do not need us
to judge them, help them, or rescue them. From the higher picture,
they are creating every scenario in their life perfectly. If there
are only creators, there can be no victims. We must not ever think of another person as a victim.

A Living Example
Some people might think that Christopher Reeve is a victim of a
terrible accident which he had nothing to do with. Others of us
believe that he planned the whole event before he came into this
lifetime so that he could be an inspiration to others on a world
level. In this way, he is able to be a living model of how to
overcome adversity; he is a perfect example of how the mind can
transcend the limitation of the body. By having his accident and
capturing the attention of the world, he can be a teacher to the
masses and we can all have a living example of how to overcome
limitation.

From a higher level, everyone is setting up circumstances in their
life in a purposeful way. The mean neighbor next door is creating his experiences perfectly in order to grow or learn in some way. His meek wife is also a creator and has chosen the relationship in order to learn valuable lessons which will serve her well on her soul journey throughout time.

It's Up To You
You must decide whether you are a creator or a victim and understand yourself accordingly. If you are a creator, then you have created everything for a reason and you have created it perfectly without exception, even though your low self doesn't understand that. If you don't like something, you have the ability to change it.

If you believe yourself to be a victim, then you are focused on the
external world of the low self, and you are living a life of
illusion, limitation, and untruth.

If you know that you are a creator, you will go within to your real
place of power and create from an inner world of wisdom and higher
intelligence. The only choice we ever have in the moment is where we choose to place our focus of attention -- on the outside world of the low self (the victim) or on the inside world of the high self (the
creator).

~ author unknown but appreciated ~
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