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Reply #15 - 30.01.2003 at 07:24:52
 
Društvo za kulturne raziskave in ekologijo Koper - sekcija Družbena pobuda Obale

Demonstracija proti ameriško britanskem napadu na Irak

V Ljubljani 31. januarja 2003, zbor na Prešernovem trgu ob 15.00

Mirna rešitev iraške krize je vse manj verjetna. Smo na pragu vojne, v kateri bo umrlo na sto tisoče nedolžnih ljudi in ki bo imela pogubne posledice za svetovni mir. Ob tem dejstvu ne moremo ostati križem rok, ker bi to pomenilo pasivno sodelovanje v nasilju. Nakopičene ameriške in britanske sile ne bodo dolgo čakale, Bushov politični vložek in naftni apetit sta prevelika. Nobenih izgledov ni, da bi napad lahko preprečila katera koli politika ali država. Edini faktor, ki lahko vojno prepreči ali vsaj omili njene posledice, je množičen protest svetovne javnosti. Povsod se stopnjujejo protivojne demonstracije, zlasti v sami Ameriki. Zdaj se jim pridružujemo tudi mi.

Arabskega terorizma ne moremo ustaviti s silo, ker ga generira ameriška enostranska podpora Izraelu. Terorizem lahko ustavi le ustanovitev palestinske države in mir ter blagostanje vseh narodov Bližnjega Vzhoda. "Preventivno vojno" skušajmo preprečiti s preventivnimi demonstracijami. Upoštevajmo dejstvo, da se del Američanov požrtvovalno bori zoper vojno, da jih dobra polovica ni volila Busha in da se bo ključni politični premik moral zgoditi v  sami Ameriki. Bodimo jim torej v podporo. Zato ne obtožujemo celotnega ameriškega naroda ampak predvsem njegovo trenutno vlado.
Vprašanje Iraka in S. Huseina lahko rešujemo tudi z drugimi sredstvi kot je vojna, predvsem s pritiskom svetovne skupnosti, ki jo predstavljajo Združeni narodi.

Demonstracija v Ljubljani bo organizirana tako, da se bo z njo lahko identificiralo čim več ljudi, torej mirno, s transparenti in brez nepotrebnih žalitev in ekshibicionizma - zadeva je za to preresna. Ljudje morajo izvedeti, da lahko zoper vojno nekaj storijo že s svojo prisotnostjo na protestu. Ta se bo dogajal predvsem pred ameriškim veleposlaništvom kot institucijo Bushove vlade v Sloveniji.

Datum in čas demonstracije: petek, 31.januarja od 15h do 17h

Potek: Zbor na Kongresnem trgu, pohod s transparenti mimo parlamenta, do ameriškega konzulata in nazaj.

Prevent the "preventive war"! Yankees, stay home! Kri za nafto?! Podprimo upor poštenih Američanov!  Ne politiki - le svetovna javnost lahko ustavi Busha! Resnični protiterorizem: palestinska in čečenska suverenost!

Kontaktna oseba: Vlado Šav  (tel.: 031844132)
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Reply #16 - 01.02.2003 at 23:47:40
 
ZA MIR SMO VSI. Torej popoln nesmisel je propagirati nasprotovanje NATO z zlorabo ideje borbe za mir. Tudi NATO se bori za mir, to vidimo vsi dobronamerni opazovalci, zato je takšna izjava čisto enostaven pamflet brez sleherne vrednosti, ker ji manjka eden od osnovnih principov za verodostojnost ustreznega javnega poziva, če naj bo stimulativen: osredotočenje na resnico, pa naj bo kakršna koli. Postavljati nasprotje NATO : MIR, je preprosta karikatura, ali pa slabo izveden joke...

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Reply #17 - 03.02.2003 at 11:09:05
 
Samson!!

Razumem, da na tem forumu igraš vlogo provokatorja, ki je npr. krščanstvu naredil toliko antireklame, kot že dolgo nihče ni. Verjamem in upam, da v resnici misliš drugače, da s svojimi prispevki le provociraš, da bi ljudje tukaj zapisovali ideje, ki jim v resnici tudi sam slediš.

Ampak take provokacije in parodije na Rodeta&co. še nekako gredo, ko pa enkrat gre za MIR, pa žal ne več.

Borba za mir mora biti naivna in nedolžna, tako, kot so nedolžni otroci, ki v vojnah umirajo. Zato te vabim, da položiš karte na mizo in iskreno poveš svoje mnenje.

Predvsem zato, ker nesmisle ki jih navajaš (NATO se bori za mir...  ??? ), navajajo tudi razne 'učene' glave z dr. naslovi po časopisih. Zadnji krik mode je npr., da NATO nima zveze z vojno v Iraku...

Gledano s stališča tistih, ki bodo v vojni žrtve, je tvoj zapis resnično BAD JOKE.
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Reply #18 - 21.02.2003 at 17:25:59
 
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Reply #19 - 27.02.2003 at 19:34:39
 
v Delu:
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IRAŠKA KRIZA

Sadam izziva Busha na dvoboj

Iraški voditelj je v intervjuju za televizijsko mrežo CBS zanikal kakršno koli zvezo z Al Kaido - Ameriškega predsednika je povabil na soočenje pred kamerami

New York - Sadam Husein se pripravlja na ameriško invazijo, v sredo pa je nepričakovano sam vdrl v ameriški zračni prostor. Legendarni novinar mreže CBS Dan Rather je prvi ameriški novinar, ki se je v zadnjih desetih letih pogovarjal z iraškim predsednikom. "Tukaj bomo umrli," je bil njegov odgovor na vprašanje, ali razmišlja o izgnanstvu.

Od našega dopisnika

Sadam Husein je dobro desetletje skrivnostni objekt sovraštva ameriškega javnega mnenja. Leta 2001 ga je za nekaj mesecev izpodrinil Osama bin Laden, zdaj pa je iraški predsednik spet neizpodbitni kralj zla. Pripisujejo mu vse, od mučenja otrok pred očmi staršev, skrivanja bojnih strupov v kleteh svojih palač, streljanja neposlušnih na sestankih vlade do pripravljanja uničenja Amerike.

Med triurnim pogovorom z Ratherejem je Sadam obširno pojasnil svoj svetovni nazor, politiko, poglede na Ameriko in načrte za prihodnost. CBS je pred predvajanjem enourne večerne oddaje pokazala nekaj izvlečkov. Iraški predsednik zavrača vsakršno idejo o izselitvi v tujino. "Rodil sem se v Iraku," pravi. "Kdor koli zavrže svojo domovino na zahtevo kogar koli, ni zvest svojim načelom. Umrli bomo tukaj. Umrli bomo v tej deželi in pred našimi ljudmi ubranili čast."

Enourna oddaja, v kateri bo predvajan intervju, bo soliden test resničnega zanimanja Američanov za stališča sovražnika, ki je spodnesel bin Ladna. Sadam je odločno zanikal kakršne koli zveze z napadalci na Pentagon in World Trade Center. "Irak nikoli ni imel nobenega razmerja z Al Kaido," je rekel. "Tudi gospod bin Laden je v enem izmed svojih govorov povedal, da z njim nimamo nobene zveze."

Georgea Busha nenadna javna pojava Sadama Huseina ni pretresla. Bela hiša je v sredo sporočila, da bodo iraškemu predsedniku sodili za vojne zločine, če se v vojni ne bo obnašal po pravilih. Bush je govoril, kakor da napad pripravlja Irak. Če bodo Sadam ali njegovi generali "ubijali nedolžne ali uničevali infrastrukturo, bodo odgovarjali kot vojni zločinci" .

Sadam je že vnaprej sporočil, da ne misli zažgati naftnih vrelcev ali podreti jezov na Evfratu in Tigrisu. Busha je pozval na televizijski dvoboj med dobrim in zlom. "Ne zahtevam dvoboja z orožjem. Predlagam, da se pojavim na ameriški televiziji pred ameriškimi državljani v pogovoru z gospodom Bushem. Če jah na vojno, naj svet prepriča o razlogih, ki vojno upravičujejo. Za nas pa je to priložnost, da povemo, zakaj bi radi živeli v miru."

Bela hiša je ponudbo zavrnila kot slabo šalo.
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Reply #20 - 06.03.2003 at 12:50:07
 
DUHOVNA MIROVNA MANIFESTACIJA
MEDITACIJA ZA MIR

V sredo, 19. marca ob 18. uri,
bo v Dvorani Tivoli v Ljubljani
vseslovenska duhovna mirovna manifestacija z meditacijo za mir.

http://www.gape.org/geeklog/public_html/calendar_event.php?eid=20030306124301240...
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Reply #21 - 07.03.2003 at 00:53:15
 
V ZDA so potekale študentske protivojne demonstracije, največje po protestih ob vojni v Vietnamu. Mediji v ZDA o tem skoraj niso poročali. Cheesy
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Reply #22 - 18.03.2003 at 14:03:36
 
Vse do danes zjutraj nekako nisem razmišljala o možnosti, da bo debilni Bush dejansko napadel Irak. Nekako sem zaupala, da bo prevladal zdrav razum, da bodo politiki prisluhnili množicam. Danes sem prvič podvomila, se zavedla - obstaja velika možnost, da se bo prav kmalu začela nova vojna.  Undecided

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Dear friend,

Please join me in taking a simple action for peace.

Together with thousands of folks around the world, I'm putting a light in my window.  If enough of us do the same, we can send a strong message of continued opposition to war and continued hope for peace.  It could be a Christmas string or candle, a light bulb, or a lantern.  It's an easy way to keep the light of reason and hope burning, to let others know that they are not
alone, and to show the way home to the young men and women who are on their way to Iraq.

MoveOn's keeping a count of the people who are joining in this simple act, from places all over the globe.  Please sign up now at:

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Thank you.


It now appears that a war may be very close.  The Bush administration has abandoned the diplomatic process at the United Nations. The United Nations has begun pulling its inspectors out of Iraq.  President Bush has given Saddam Hussein 48 hours to leave Iraq or face war.  This is a very sad day.
We must remember in this dark moment that we have come a long way.  By working for peace around the globe, millions of people have successfully challenged the justness of this war on a world stage.  We have persuaded governments to heed their peoples' call to peace, and helped the United Nations maintain its integrity.  We all have been part of a historic mobilization of the citizens of the globe.  It will change everything.  And in the end, we will win.
We will continue waging peace, even if war comes.  We have joined together to articulate a vision of how the world should be-of how nations should treat each other, of how we can collectively deal with threats to our security.
One simple way to show your continued commitment to this vision is to put a light in your window.  It could be a Christmas string or candle, a light bulb, or a lantern.  It's an easy way to keep the light of reason and hope burning, to let others know that they are not alone, and to show the way home to the young men and women who are on their way to Iraq.
We'd like to keep a list of the places and people who are joining in this simple act.  Please sign up now at:
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On Sunday, people came together in thousands of towns and villages around the world-a truly global vigil for peace.  The vigils came in all shapes and sizes.  There were vigils with ten people and vigils with thousands.  There were vigils in homes, in churches, and in open fields.  People joined together to share their commitment to making a better world.
For some amazing pictures of the vigils around the world, go to:
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The Global Vigil was made possible by the efforts of thousands of volunteers. Some worked tirelessly to make modest but important vigils happen in small towns and villages. Others merely chose a location for a vigil on our Web site and handed out extra candles as hundreds of strangers showed up. Several dedicated volunteers staffing the MoveOn help desk worked countless hours answering questions and solving problems. All of us give our most heartfelt thanks to these fantastic volunteers for their good spirits during such an intense project.


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Reply #23 - 18.03.2003 at 14:20:48
 
Da vojna v Iraku bo, se je vedelo že dolgo prej in za to niti ni  bilo potrebno imeti kakšnih posebnih preroških sposobnosti.
Dovolj je bilo, če se je pozorno spremljalo razvoj dogodkov v zadnjem letu. Tu mislim predvsem na gospodarska gibanja in potem na kopičenja vojaških sil v zalivu. Da se grozečemu plazu ni mogoče več ustaviti, je postalo jasno že lani jeseni. Kulminacija pa je nastopila zdaj, ko gre le še za vprašanje ur.

Kot posamezniki kaj dosti ne moremo storiti, saj imajo mnogi družbeni procesi, ki so navidez pod našim nadzorom (posameznikov), vse lastnosti naravnih sil (kot so naprimer potresi) in se jih kot take, ko dosežejo neko kritično maso, skorajda ne da več ustaviti.

Sedaj lahko samo še upamo, da žrtev ne bi bilo preveč, da se bo strmoglavljenje Huseina čimprej končalo in da sam Husein ne bi naredil kakšne večje neumnosti proti lastnemu narodu, kot je to že počel.


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Reply #24 - 18.03.2003 at 15:08:13
 
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Kot posamezniki kaj dosti ne moremo storiti, saj imajo mnogi družbeni procesi, ki so navidez pod našim nadzorom (posameznikov), vse lastnosti naravnih sil (kot so naprimer potresi) in se jih kot take, ko dosežejo neko kritično maso, skorajda ne da več ustaviti.


Vojne prevzemajao obliko meteroloških pojavov, mirovniki pa so prevzeli  funkcije šamanov. Ogenj pada z neba in sika iz peščenih viharjev, mirovniki pa pa pojejo, plešejo in čarajo.  ???Undecided Angry
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Reply #25 - 18.03.2003 at 15:55:32
 
Petra. wrote on 07.03.2003 at 00:53:15:
Mediji v ZDA o tem skoraj niso poročali. Cheesy

Mediji v ZDA itak poročajo le o tistem, kar je dobro za vlado. Svoboda govora medijev v ZDA v realnosti ne obstaja.
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Lahko podpišemo izjavo za mir...
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Peace in action!

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Reply #28 - 20.03.2003 at 00:06:23
 
10 Ways to Avoid War
by Deepak Chopra

Avoiding war can be at once the simplest and most difficult thing to do. It
is simple to see that war is always a failure, a perilous risk that leads to
immense misery. But it is difficult to get out of the war mentality once the
mind is infected by it. Even anti-war protests can inflame the war mentality
by inciting more stubbornness and resolve on the other side. To be
belligerent in the name of peace is a form of war. Therefore the dilemma
about over Iraq must be resolved in a way that is neither pro-war nor
anti-war. Is this viable?

Recently I was caught by surprise when a newspaper reporter in Memphis said
to me," You have stated that there is a creative solution to every problem.
What's the creative solution to prevent the bombing of Iraq?" My answer
caused a minor stir-both of outrage and support-because I suggested that if
Pope John Paul, Nelson Mandela, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the Dalai Lama,
Nobel Peace Laureates, and other luminaries went to Baghdad, bombing would
be impossible. My hope was that symbols of peace might be a startling
reminder, if they physically traveled to Iraq, that human beings exist for a
spiritual purpose higher than war, however justified that war seems.

I'd like to expand on that argument. The war mentality is blinded by fear,
which fuels aggression and violence to make the fear go away. That is war in
a nutshell. The other rationales are pointless, and when we obsess over
them, arguing whether the U.S. is acting as savior, aggressor, imperialist,
peacekeeper, world policeman, or cynical oil power, the net effect is to
forget that war is about fear and using violence to "solve" it.

If you step out of the war mentality, there are not just a few creative ways
to avoid an invasion of Iraq. There are dozens. If every person who doesn't
want war sent in his or her suggestion about a better answer, tens of
thousands of replies would flood in. Of these I 'm sure that five or six
would be completely workable. Let me mention ten to begin with:

1. Congratulate President Bush on already succeeding. The presence of U.S.
troops around Iraq has called Saddam's bluff. Disarmament has begun. If
pressure is kept on with U.S. military presence, in the region, without
dropping bombs, further progress will inevitably occur.

2. Assign prominent figures of peace to be present in Iraq constantly, along
with the U.N. inspectors. Have these revered figures address the Iraqi
people and the world every day on the value of peace.

3. Ask 100,000 well-wishers from around the globe to bring food and aid to
Iraq's children. These people would carry humane relief in person to
Baghdad.

4. Start a global Peace Corps of volunteers who will go to Iraq with the
express purpose of fulfilling any humanitarian need asked for by that
country.

5. Offer MTV, CNN, and Nickelodeon free to any Iraq household with a TV.
Exposure to the world will make them feel like part of the world.

6. Sponsor 25,000 student exchanges for Iraqi high schoolers so that they
can live for a year in Europe or the U.S.

7. Keep a tenfold number of U.N. weapons inspectors on the ground in Iraq
and have them report every two weeks.

8. Teach courses in all American schools on the pros and cons of
globalization and multiculturalism, as opposed to instilling the false
belief that nationalism is going to continue to work (war being a logical
and horrendous extension of nationalism).

9. Withdraw the resented presence of U.S. troops from those regions where
seeing an American army uniform inflames simmering hatred.

10. Open Disney World somewhere in the Middle East., a region where up to
half the population is under the age of 15. These children are in enormous
peril, not just from bombs but from cultural isolation. Let children breathe
free air at a place where fun and joy abide. What better way to reduce fear
and anger? At the same time, find a way to expose American children to the
children of the world.
Whatever you think of these particular suggestions, the most obvious thing
is how easily they arise once you stop being infected by the war mentality.
Weapons of mass destruction are disposed of when they are seen as
irrelevant. That is what happened with the former Soviet Union. The same can
happen in the Middle East once we put our hearts into it. The choice to
change history or become its next victim faces us right here, right now.
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m wrote on 19.03.2003 at 14:49:03:
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