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Message started by gape on 17.07.2011 at 11:51:54

Title: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 17.07.2011 at 11:51:54
mal sarkastično se sliši - vem ... ampak ... read on

cro
http://www.matrixworld-loviste.com/prevencijarakapluca.htm

eng
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/226999



Quote:
Certain governments know that their past actions are directly responsible for causing most of the lung and skin cancers in the world today, so they go to extreme lengths in trying to deflect responsibility  and thus financial liability away from themselves, and onto harmless organic tobacco instead. As we will find later in the report, humble organic tobacco has never hurt anyone, and in certain ways can justifiably claim to provide startling health protection.


Not all governments around the world share the same problem. Japan and Greece have the highest numbers of adult cigarette smokers in the world, but the lowest incidence of lung cancer. In direct contrast to this, America, Australia, Russia, and some South Pacific island groups have the lowest numbers of adult cigarette smokers in the world, but the highest incidence of lung cancer. This is clue number-one in unraveling the absurd but entrenched western medical lie that "smoking causes lung cancer."


The first European contact with tobacco was in 1492, when Columbus and fellow explorer Rodriguo de Jerez saw natives smoking in Cuba. That very same day, de Jerez took his first puff and found it very relaxing, just as the locals had assured him it would be. This was an important occasion, because Rodriguo de Jerez discovered what the Cubans and native Americans had known for many centuries: that cigar and cigarette smoking is not only relaxing, it also cures coughs and other minor ailments. When he returned home, Rodriguo de Jerez proudly lit a cigar in the street, and was promptly arrested and imprisoned for three years by the horrified Spanish Inquisition. De Jerez thus became the first victim of the anti-smoking lobbies.


By the early 20th Century almost one in every two people smoked, but the incidence of lung cancer remained so low that it was almost immeasurable.


(atomska bomba leta 45)


If a single microscopic radioactive fallout particle lands on your skin at the beach, you get skin cancer. Inhale a single particle of the same lethal muck, and death from lung cancer becomes inevitable, unless you happen to be an exceptionally lucky cigarette smoker.

the radioactive particles do not just "fade away", at least not in your lifetime or that of your children and grandchildren. With a half-life of 50,000 years or longer, these countless trillions of deadly government-manufactured radioactive particles are essentially with you forever. Circulated around the world by powerful jet streams, these particles are deposited at random


deaths from lung cancer have more than doubled during the period 1945 to 1955
By the end of official atmospheric testing in 1963, the incidence of lung cancer in the Pacific Islands had increased fivefold since 1945.

Having screwed your environment completely for 50,000 years, it was time for "big government" to start taking heavy diversionary action.

How could people be proved to be causing themselves to contract lung cancer, i.e. be said to be guilty of a self inflicted injury for which government could never be blamed or sued? The only obvious substance that people inhaled into their lungs, apart from air, was tobacco smoke, so the government boot was put in.


ostalo se pa nekak ve ... kako so zdemoniziral tobak in ganjo
čeprow u bistvu pomagata
:P

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Alojz in Sandib on 17.07.2011 at 11:59:33

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 11:51:54:
mal sarkastično se sliši - vem ... ampak ... read on

cro
http://www.matrixworld-loviste.com/prevencijarakapluca.htm

eng
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/226999


To isto mi je povedal  ee madžarski alternativni medicinc pred leti. Rekel mi je kadi,če češ bit zdrav.Dobiš kup prepotrebnih vitaminov vase. Vem pa ! Ko so delali analizo mumij,so ugotovili sledi tobaka v njih.

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 17.07.2011 at 12:02:51
jebojimpasmater

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Alojz in Sandib on 17.07.2011 at 12:03:34

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:02:51:
jebojimpasmater


Katerim?

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Robi on 17.07.2011 at 12:05:14

Alojz in Sandib wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:03:34:

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:02:51:
jebojimpasmater


Katerim?

Tistim, ki ne kadimo ?

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Alojz in Sandib on 17.07.2011 at 12:06:10

Robi wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:05:14:

Alojz in Sandib wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:03:34:

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:02:51:
jebojimpasmater


Katerim?

Tistim, ki ne kadimo ?


Mogoče mumijam?

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Robi on 17.07.2011 at 12:07:24

Alojz in Sandib wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:06:10:

Robi wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:05:14:

Alojz in Sandib wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:03:34:

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:02:51:
jebojimpasmater


Katerim?

Tistim, ki ne kadimo ?


Mogoče mumijam?

;D
Res uboge mumije..Še zdaj nimajo mira.

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 17.07.2011 at 12:09:44
kr čitejta
in če ni jasno
čitejta še več
lahko pa me mata za debila
boli me ... pa fejst pospemat hitr da ne bo prepozn ... da ne bo kdo opazu česa slučajn

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Alojz in Sandib on 17.07.2011 at 12:09:55

Robi wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:07:24:

Alojz in Sandib wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:06:10:

Robi wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:05:14:

Alojz in Sandib wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:03:34:

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:02:51:
jebojimpasmater


Katerim?

Tistim, ki ne kadimo ?


Mogoče mumijam?

;D
Res uboge mumije..Še zdaj nimajo mira.


Kaj vemo,kje je njihov genski material v vesolju.Mogoče so že življensko reanimiral. Dr. Balažič !ISM ljubljana)pravi,da bo prej kot v 20 letih to tudi mogoče na Zemlji!

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Alojz in Sandib on 17.07.2011 at 12:15:48

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:09:44:
kr čitejta
in če ni jasno
čitejta še več
lahko pa me mata zadebila
boli me ... pa fejst pospemat hitr da ne bo prepozn ... da ne bo kdo opazu česa slučajn


Računam na kurjo slepoto ljudi!

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Robi on 17.07.2011 at 12:16:01

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:09:44:
kr čitejta
in če ni jasno
čitejta še več
lahko pa me mata zadebila
boli me ... pa fejst pospemat hitr da ne bo prepozn ... da ne bo kdo opazu česa slučajn

Saj čitam in mi vedno bolj gre na smeh vse skupaj....
Sem napisal, da je človek pravi umetnik v iskanju idej, kako opravičiti lastna dejanja.

A sprašujem se, čemu bi se moral človek opravičevati pred vsemi ? Mogoče zato, ker imam slabo vest ?
Ker mi moja zavest in telo pravi drugače, pa rabim svoj ego, da lahko preglasim glas razuma ?

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Robi on 17.07.2011 at 12:22:23

Quote:
By the early 20th Century almost one in every two people smoked, but the incidence of lung cancer remained so low that it was almost immeasurable.

Posledice naših dejanj niso vidne takoj. Za slabe razvade naših prednikov, dandanes človeštvo plačuje grehe. Saj se genetske spremembe in s tem nagnjenost k določenim boleznim pojavljajo šele čez več generacij.

In naj zdaj začnem kaditi, da slučajno ne bom zbolel za rakom...Torej iz strahu naj kadim....?
Strah pa človeka uničuje in mu slabša odpornost.
Kar pomeni več bolezni in raka. :)

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Alojz in Sandib on 17.07.2011 at 12:24:01

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:09:44:
kr čitejta
in če ni jasno
čitejta še več
lahko pa me mata za debila
boli me ... pa fejst pospemat hitr da ne bo prepozn ... da ne bo kdo opazu česa slučajn


Ne vem- zakaj se mi je porodilo tole; Patak u zulu gatah! Nič ne mislim in nikogar nimam za debila!

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 17.07.2011 at 12:40:54

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:02:51:
jebojimpasmater

imperialistično
res so samo za nacionalizirat in pred zid
in usi k se z njimi poistovečate (ali ste celo na njihovi strani) ... jest bi se zamislu nad sabo ...

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 17.07.2011 at 12:44:13

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 11:51:54:
mal sarkastično se sliši - vem ... ampak ... read on

cro
http://www.matrixworld-loviste.com/prevencijarakapluca.htm

eng
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/226999



Quote:
Certain governments know that their past actions are directly responsible for causing most of the lung and skin cancers in the world today, so they go to extreme lengths in trying to deflect responsibility  and thus financial liability away from themselves, and onto harmless organic tobacco instead. As we will find later in the report, humble organic tobacco has never hurt anyone, and in certain ways can justifiably claim to provide startling health protection.


Not all governments around the world share the same problem. Japan and Greece have the highest numbers of adult cigarette smokers in the world, but the lowest incidence of lung cancer. In direct contrast to this, America, Australia, Russia, and some South Pacific island groups have the lowest numbers of adult cigarette smokers in the world, but the highest incidence of lung cancer. This is clue number-one in unraveling the absurd but entrenched western medical lie that "smoking causes lung cancer."


The first European contact with tobacco was in 1492, when Columbus and fellow explorer Rodriguo de Jerez saw natives smoking in Cuba. That very same day, de Jerez took his first puff and found it very relaxing, just as the locals had assured him it would be. This was an important occasion, because Rodriguo de Jerez discovered what the Cubans and native Americans had known for many centuries: that cigar and cigarette smoking is not only relaxing, it also cures coughs and other minor ailments. When he returned home, Rodriguo de Jerez proudly lit a cigar in the street, and was promptly arrested and imprisoned for three years by the horrified Spanish Inquisition. De Jerez thus became the first victim of the anti-smoking lobbies.


By the early 20th Century almost one in every two people smoked, but the incidence of lung cancer remained so low that it was almost immeasurable.


(atomska bomba leta 45)


If a single microscopic radioactive fallout particle lands on your skin at the beach, you get skin cancer. Inhale a single particle of the same lethal muck, and death from lung cancer becomes inevitable, unless you happen to be an exceptionally lucky cigarette smoker.

the radioactive particles do not just "fade away", at least not in your lifetime or that of your children and grandchildren. With a half-life of 50,000 years or longer, these countless trillions of deadly government-manufactured radioactive particles are essentially with you forever. Circulated around the world by powerful jet streams, these particles are deposited at random


deaths from lung cancer have more than doubled during the period 1945 to 1955
By the end of official atmospheric testing in 1963, the incidence of lung cancer in the Pacific Islands had increased fivefold since 1945.

Having screwed your environment completely for 50,000 years, it was time for "big government" to start taking heavy diversionary action.

How could people be proved to be causing themselves to contract lung cancer, i.e. be said to be guilty of a self inflicted injury for which government could never be blamed or sued? The only obvious substance that people inhaled into their lungs, apart from air, was tobacco smoke, so the government boot was put in.


ostalo se pa nekak ve ... kako so zdemoniziral tobak in ganjo
čeprow u bistvu pomagata
:P


skratka
če mi je dovoljeno zaključit zadevo
kdor je opazu, sm dal zadevo u direktorij po imenu
Open Source - Znanje za vse ali ne?
( Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka )

torej
rak pljuč se je pojavu z bombardiranjem z atomskimi bombami
isto rak kože
da bi ne najebal ti ki so atomske bombe metal, so določl tobak za krivca za pljučnega raka, sonce pa za krivca za kožnega raka ...

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Devi on 17.07.2011 at 12:44:39
hudo zanimivo.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

sicer sem vidla use une posnetke bogih prekajenih pljuč. po drugi strani pa moji materi po 30 letih kajenja noben ni verjel da je to počela. men tobak pomaga pred preveč čutit. dokler ga bom pač rabila.

jebopasmater unim, ki zastrupljajo svet, pol pa vse preložijo na tobak in kadilce.

alojz, kakšnih vitaminov?

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Alojz in Sandib on 17.07.2011 at 12:56:04

Devi wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:44:39:
hudo zanimivo.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

sicer sem vidla use une posnetke bogih prekajenih pljuč. po drugi strani pa moji materi po 30 letih kajenja noben ni verjel da je to počela. men tobak pomaga pred preveč čutit. dokler ga bom pač rabila.

jebopasmater unim, ki zastrupljajo svet, pol pa vse preložijo na tobak in kadilce.

alojz, kakšnih vitaminov?


Devi nimam pojma. Tako mi je Madžar povedal. Verjetno ima tobak na molekularni ravni vitamine. Saj je tobak rastlina!

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 17.07.2011 at 12:57:17
čist noro

glih to sm prej mateji reku, da je zihr precej fore u tem sloju svinjaka



Quote:
Univerziteta Simon Fraser u Kanadi je možda najbliži istini, napravio je istraživanje u kojem je otkrio da pušenje potpomaže stvaranje tankog sluzavog sloja u plućima, koji formira zaštitan sloj koji zaustavlja bilo koje kancerogene čestice da uđu u tkivo.“


[smiley=1grin1.gif]

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by M.L. on 17.07.2011 at 13:02:33

Devi wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:44:39:
hudo zanimivo.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

sicer sem vidla use une posnetke bogih prekajenih pljuč. po drugi strani pa moji materi po 30 letih kajenja noben ni verjel da je to počela. men tobak pomaga pred preveč čutit. dokler ga bom pač rabila.

jebopasmater unim, ki zastrupljajo svet, pol pa vse preložijo na tobak in kadilce.

alojz, kakšnih vitaminov?

Ne prenese vsak enako določenih vplivov na telo. Nekateri so bolj občutlijvi, nekateri manj. Tisti, ki več prenesejo gledajo na za telo in dušo škodljive stvari drugače kakor tisti, ki so krhkejšega ustroja.

Tobak je nedvomno škodljiv in je le še ena izmed neskončnih zvijač pekla. Jaz sem kadil 25 let, po tem pa nisem prenehal zaradi zdravja ali česar koli drugega, ampak enostavno sem spoznal pasti tega početja. Človek, ki se dvigne na določeno stopnjo duhovnosti, vidi v kajenju veliko gnusobo pred sabo in spozna kako zelo je še človek omejen v svojih čutih dokler vegetira na nižje razvitem duhovnem nivoju, skratka ne vidi in ne sliši, kaj le da bi še kaj druga čutil.

Pa lep pozdrav.

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Devi on 17.07.2011 at 13:02:39
no ja tobak je drugač tud insekticid
kot neem, ki je tud insekticid, pa obenem zdravilo za sve i svašta. edin da bi ga kadili, no ja, pa res še nisem slišala.

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Alojz in Sandib on 17.07.2011 at 13:05:06

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:57:17:
čist noro

glih to sm prej mateji reku, da je zihr precej fore u tem sloju svinjaka



Quote:
Univerziteta Simon Fraser u Kanadi je možda najbliži istini, napravio je istraživanje u kojem je otkrio da pušenje potpomaže stvaranje tankog sluzavog sloja u plućima, koji formira zaštitan sloj koji zaustavlja bilo koje kancerogene čestice da uđu u tkivo.“


[smiley=1grin1.gif]


Po meni je vsaka prekomerna  izraba tobaka lahko tudi škodljiva. Mislim,da je povsod tako! Sam kadim ! Če logično razmišljaš (čeprav logika ni ravno moje področje oz. se ji najraje izognem) če tobak dela antikarcerogeno sluz na plučih potem jo verjetno dela tudi na ožilju. Mogoče s tem maši žile? Tako,da ni vse zlato,kar se sveti!

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Robi on 17.07.2011 at 13:05:06

Quote:
Univerziteta Simon Fraser u Kanadi je možda najbliži istini, napravio je istraživanje u kojem je otkrio da pušenje potpomaže stvaranje tankog sluzavog sloja u plućima, koji formira zaštitan sloj koji zaustavlja bilo koje kancerogene čestice da uđu u tkivo.“

Prava ironija....

Bela moka in sladkor tudi povzroča nabiranje sluzastih oblog v prebavnem traktu...Kakšne so posledice, si poišči na netu...

Pa če že omenjaš nabiranje sluzi, naj te spomnim na na tipičen kadilski kašelj, ki je posledica nabiranja sluzi in napor telesa, da to izloči. :)

Sluzasti ovoj preprečuje dotok kisika in hranilnih snovi v telo.

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Devi on 17.07.2011 at 13:05:32

M.L. wrote on 17.07.2011 at 13:02:33:
Jaz sem kadil 25 let, po tem pa nisem prenehal zaradi zdravja ali česar koli drugega, ampak enostavno sem spoznal pasti tega početja. Človek, ki se dvigne na določeno stopnjo duhovnosti, vidi v kajenju veliko gnusobo pred sabo in spozna kako zelo je še človek omejen v svojih čutih dokler vegetira na nižje razvitem duhovnem nivoju, skratka ne vidi in ne sliši, kaj le da bi še kaj druga čutil.

Pa lep pozdrav.

agree. za vse pride pravi čas, kakor pravijo :)

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by M.L. on 17.07.2011 at 13:06:43

Devi wrote on 17.07.2011 at 13:05:32:

M.L. wrote on 17.07.2011 at 13:02:33:
Jaz sem kadil 25 let, po tem pa nisem prenehal zaradi zdravja ali česar koli drugega, ampak enostavno sem spoznal pasti tega početja. Človek, ki se dvigne na določeno stopnjo duhovnosti, vidi v kajenju veliko gnusobo pred sabo in spozna kako zelo je še človek omejen v svojih čutih dokler vegetira na nižje razvitem duhovnem nivoju, skratka ne vidi in ne sliši, kaj le da bi še kaj druga čutil.

Pa lep pozdrav.

agree. za vse pride pravi čas, kakor pravijo :)

Res je, vse ima svoj čas.

Pa lep pozdrav.

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Robi on 17.07.2011 at 13:15:54
ML
Quote:
Tobak je nedvomno škodljiv in je le še ena izmed neskončnih zvijač pekla. Jaz sem kadil 25 let, po tem pa nisem prenehal zaradi zdravja ali česar koli drugega, ampak enostavno sem spoznal pasti tega početja. Človek, ki se dvigne na določeno stopnjo duhovnosti, vidi v kajenju veliko gnusobo pred sabo in spozna kako zelo je še človek omejen v svojih čutih dokler vegetira na nižje razvitem duhovnem nivoju, skratka ne vidi in ne sliši, kaj le da bi še kaj druga čutil.

Pa lep pozdrav.

Res je...Nekateri še to morajo spoznati.

Da kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka, je pa največja blodnja in bedarija, kar sem jih zadnji čas prebral.

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Alojz in Sandib on 17.07.2011 at 13:17:19
U ZDA je od nedavnega kajenje obravnavano kot bolezensko stanje. ZDA še tisoče let ne bo izplačala svojih življenjskih hipotek , gorja,ki ga je in ga povzroča po planetu. Ko bo napočil t.i. gravitacijski nihaj Zemlje bosta ravno področje S Amerike in Avstralije najbolj prizadeta. Vesolje (Bog)samodeluje nezmotljivo.

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 17.07.2011 at 14:28:13

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 12:44:13:

gape wrote on 17.07.2011 at 11:51:54:
mal sarkastično se sliši - vem ... ampak ... read on

cro
http://www.matrixworld-loviste.com/prevencijarakapluca.htm

eng
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/226999



Quote:
Certain governments know that their past actions are directly responsible for causing most of the lung and skin cancers in the world today, so they go to extreme lengths in trying to deflect responsibility  and thus financial liability away from themselves, and onto harmless organic tobacco instead. As we will find later in the report, humble organic tobacco has never hurt anyone, and in certain ways can justifiably claim to provide startling health protection.


Not all governments around the world share the same problem. Japan and Greece have the highest numbers of adult cigarette smokers in the world, but the lowest incidence of lung cancer. In direct contrast to this, America, Australia, Russia, and some South Pacific island groups have the lowest numbers of adult cigarette smokers in the world, but the highest incidence of lung cancer. This is clue number-one in unraveling the absurd but entrenched western medical lie that "smoking causes lung cancer."


The first European contact with tobacco was in 1492, when Columbus and fellow explorer Rodriguo de Jerez saw natives smoking in Cuba. That very same day, de Jerez took his first puff and found it very relaxing, just as the locals had assured him it would be. This was an important occasion, because Rodriguo de Jerez discovered what the Cubans and native Americans had known for many centuries: that cigar and cigarette smoking is not only relaxing, it also cures coughs and other minor ailments. When he returned home, Rodriguo de Jerez proudly lit a cigar in the street, and was promptly arrested and imprisoned for three years by the horrified Spanish Inquisition. De Jerez thus became the first victim of the anti-smoking lobbies.


By the early 20th Century almost one in every two people smoked, but the incidence of lung cancer remained so low that it was almost immeasurable.


(atomska bomba leta 45)


If a single microscopic radioactive fallout particle lands on your skin at the beach, you get skin cancer. Inhale a single particle of the same lethal muck, and death from lung cancer becomes inevitable, unless you happen to be an exceptionally lucky cigarette smoker.

the radioactive particles do not just "fade away", at least not in your lifetime or that of your children and grandchildren. With a half-life of 50,000 years or longer, these countless trillions of deadly government-manufactured radioactive particles are essentially with you forever. Circulated around the world by powerful jet streams, these particles are deposited at random


deaths from lung cancer have more than doubled during the period 1945 to 1955
By the end of official atmospheric testing in 1963, the incidence of lung cancer in the Pacific Islands had increased fivefold since 1945.

Having screwed your environment completely for 50,000 years, it was time for "big government" to start taking heavy diversionary action.

How could people be proved to be causing themselves to contract lung cancer, i.e. be said to be guilty of a self inflicted injury for which government could never be blamed or sued? The only obvious substance that people inhaled into their lungs, apart from air, was tobacco smoke, so the government boot was put in.


ostalo se pa nekak ve ... kako so zdemoniziral tobak in ganjo
čeprow u bistvu pomagata
:P


skratka
če mi je dovoljeno zaključit zadevo
kdor je opazu, sm dal zadevo u direktorij po imenu
Open Source - Znanje za vse ali ne?
( Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka )

torej
rak pljuč se je pojavu z bombardiranjem z atomskimi bombami
isto rak kože
da bi ne najebal ti ki so atomske bombe metal, so določl tobak za krivca za pljučnega raka, sonce pa za krivca za kožnega raka ...


Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by x_igor on 17.07.2011 at 14:45:52
Sam tobak v normalnih količinah sigurno ni škodljiv. Ima pa v sebi substanco, ki te naredi odvisnega, kar pomeni, da vzpodbuja slo, ki je zopet psihična strast.

No, pa dodatki, ki jih daje tobačna, ki odvisnost še povečajo. Zato jaz že dobro leto kadim Manitou tobak, brez aditivov. Znamka tobaka je Virginia gold premium. Malo me edino moti to dolgo ime in ne vem kako so prišli do te vrste tobaka. Mogoče z genskim inženiringom in potem ni naraven.
Sicer pa kašlam ne in tudi zjutraj nimam več pljunka sluzi iz grla. Tobak je dober.

Lp,Igor

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by egotrip on 17.07.2011 at 14:59:16
Igor kater tobak je to ,kje ga kupis ?
jaz kadim  rumeno pakungo ze lep cajt , cigarete sem mogoce kadil leto dni vse skupaj ,so me prav ubijali

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by x_igor on 17.07.2011 at 15:08:52
To je rumenkasto-oranžno-zlato pakiranje po 35g. Prodajajo ga v trafikah DELO. Sicer ga pa uvaža Kompas MTS d.d.. Jaz ga enkrat nisem dobil pri nas in sem jih poklical (Kompas MTS-št. najdeš na internetu). Brez problema sem ga naročil 10 paklcov pri šefu prodaje in drugi dan mi je poštar že prinesel.

Lp,Igor

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 17.07.2011 at 18:29:51
men je pueblo najblj kul

manitou je pa tud dobr

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by x_igor on 17.07.2011 at 18:48:05
Sem probal tudi Pueblo. Je druga sorta tobaka in men je prevlažen.

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Boštyxz on 17.07.2011 at 19:13:39
Mah, neee, ampk', tole pa je zavajanje , he, he .

Pa sej ni tolk problem v izgubi materialno telesnega zdravja, Temveč je z kajenjem problem izgube duševno duhovnega Zdravja !!!

In to se pokaže šele po telesni smrti, kjer duša potem dokončno odpove in pade zelooooooo nizkooo .

Žal .

Lp + #

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by egotrip on 18.07.2011 at 07:14:42
Bosty kako ves ?
pueblo mi je ful premocen , mogoce bi se ga moral navadit , ce je prevlazen ga pa malo prezracis , manitou bom probal samo cena mi ne odgovarja .

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by x_igor on 18.07.2011 at 08:08:23
Ne razumem, zakaj cena? Je ja cenejši od pueblo-ta. Paklc po 3,4€ s papirčki

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by egotrip on 18.07.2011 at 08:37:06
eh , pol sem js zblojen , sem vidu ceno na netu po 8 evrov pakiranje po 35 g , zgleda da je blo misljeno za 4 paklce al kaj nevem , prvo kar google vrze -canajoy.Grem dans iskat v trafiko .

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by x_igor on 18.07.2011 at 09:05:49

ego-3p wrote on 18.07.2011 at 08:37:06:
eh , pol sem js zblojen , sem vidu ceno na netu po 8 evrov pakiranje po 35 g , zgleda da je blo misljeno za 4 paklce al kaj nevem , prvo kar google vrze -canajoy.Grem dans iskat v trafiko .

Ma, ti uvažajo iz trafik v Nemčiji in potem butnejo maržo. Kot bi ti kupil v trafiki in potem dodal maržo za tiste, ki tega ne vedo, da se ga dobi tudi pri nas.

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by egotrip on 18.07.2011 at 10:45:33
Sem nabavil , v bistvu je cenovno in po kvaliteti bolj ugoden od golden virginia, edino nisem navajen da je tako suh sem takoj dodal en kos jabolke, mocan je pa  ravno prav , fin je ,in papircki tut .

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by x_igor on 18.07.2011 at 10:53:24
Ja, zelo dober tobak!

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 18.07.2011 at 10:54:07

ego-3p wrote on 18.07.2011 at 10:45:33:
Sem nabavil , v bistvu je cenovno in po kvaliteti bolj ugoden od golden virginia, edino nisem navajen da je tako suh sem takoj dodal en kos jabolke, mocan je pa  ravno prav , fin je ,in papircki tut .

jest nwem kako lahko tisto vodo kadite ...
no ja ... sej vem
:P

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by egotrip on 18.07.2011 at 11:04:25

gape wrote on 18.07.2011 at 10:54:07:

ego-3p wrote on 18.07.2011 at 10:45:33:
Sem nabavil , v bistvu je cenovno in po kvaliteti bolj ugoden od golden virginia, edino nisem navajen da je tako suh sem takoj dodal en kos jabolke, mocan je pa  ravno prav , fin je ,in papircki tut .

jest nwem kako lahko tisto vodo kadite ...
no ja ... sej vem
:P

a ti je preblag ?
lol js sm v pueblota dal dva filtra pa me je se vseeno dusil , dober si  :P

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 18.07.2011 at 11:12:48

ego-3p wrote on 18.07.2011 at 11:04:25:

gape wrote on 18.07.2011 at 10:54:07:

ego-3p wrote on 18.07.2011 at 10:45:33:
Sem nabavil , v bistvu je cenovno in po kvaliteti bolj ugoden od golden virginia, edino nisem navajen da je tako suh sem takoj dodal en kos jabolke, mocan je pa  ravno prav , fin je ,in papircki tut .

jest nwem kako lahko tisto vodo kadite ...
no ja ... sej vem
:P

a ti je preblag ?
lol js sm v pueblota dal dva filtra pa me je se vseeno dusil , dober si  :P

pa nwem
un virginia mi je premoker ... kr težko kadim - se morm full matrat k potegnem ... treba močnejši vakuum ustvart u seb da lahko potegneš tamokrga

kolkrkol da je, mam zdej kilco enga z juga, tko da en časa ne bom kupoval sploh ...
[smiley=1grin1.gif]

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by egotrip on 18.07.2011 at 11:24:43
enga z juga v plavi skatli sem probal sam je tut prestrong for mee , treba semena  nabavit pa probat sam naredit .

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by x_igor on 18.07.2011 at 11:25:30
Virginia je tud za mene premoker. Manitou pa eno noč prej odprem, da se razvlaži, čeprav je od teh tobakov najbolj suh.
Tudi jaz nerad kupujem vodo po ceni za tobak. Še manj pa, da bi jo kadil.

Lp,igor

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by egotrip on 18.07.2011 at 13:55:33
heh razumem voda ja , virginie je res malo v paklcu ,dokler nisem dosti kadil me to ni motilo in sem ga kupoval ker je dobro pakiran da se ne izsusi hahah , prevec sem bil navdusen nad vreckami mogoce .
Nekje vmes se mi zdi da je najbolj , bolj suh kot vlazen ne pa prevec suh ker pol dim ni gladek .

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 07.06.2012 at 22:21:15
http://douglassreport.com/2011/03/13/good-tobacco/

Tobacco is good for the brain


http://matrixworld-hr.com/2012/03/05/indijanski-duhan-cisti-i-regenerira-pluca/

INDIJANSKI DUHAN: Čisti i regenerira pluća!

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Devi on 07.06.2012 at 22:46:32
zanimivo, kolk let je bil tobak čist zdemoniziran, in šele zdej so počasi začeli z nekim  širšim infom.. valda čist kontra [smiley=1grin1.gif]

a si kje videl za kupit tele papirčke?

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 08.06.2012 at 10:58:29
papirčke?

'zdravilnega' tobaka se da kupt kr precej

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Devi on 08.06.2012 at 11:41:17
pod tadrugim linkom so slikce, katera znamka tobaka je natur, pol spodej je pa še kateri papirčki/rizle za zvijat niso s kemikalijami obdelane
tobak poznam, rizel se pa ne spomnim, da bi jih kje vidla, al pa sam nisem iskala..?

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 08.06.2012 at 12:05:22

Devi wrote on 08.06.2012 at 11:41:17:
pod tadrugim linkom so slikce, katera znamka tobaka je natur, pol spodej je pa še kateri papirčki/rizle za zvijat niso s kemikalijami obdelane
tobak poznam, rizel se pa ne spomnim, da bi jih kje vidla, al pa sam nisem iskala..?

ocb sm vidu u slo pomoje ... so pa nekoliko butaste oblike se mi zdi ...
unih drugih nism vidu

ampak to več ni težava odkar so prepovedal dodajat ... neki u papirčke od navadnih čikov, da čik ni ugasnu - tega u papirčkih za zvijat tko nikol ni blo - afaik
če je blo pa poslej več ne sme bit ...
zihr je pa še kej šugavga zravn ... ampak obstaja pipa in use podobne zadeve, če te moti nesnaga :P

itaq je pa u zraku tolk nesnage da noben problem, če se ti odločiš za vrsto nesnage ki jo boš uporablju nekoliko več - in zato pač ene druge manj ...

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Devi on 08.06.2012 at 12:34:55
hahaha ja, pipo bom kadila  [smiley=1grin1.gif]
oki thnx
nah sej ni tolk, da bi me prov motilo, sam sej veš, zakaj ne bi finančno podprla stvari, ki so bolše? to je dones edini vote, ki deluje (pa še ta ni nevemkaj)

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 18.01.2013 at 12:45:47
http://matrixworldhr.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/sokantna-istina-o-duhanu-kako-je-duhan-od-ljekovite-biljke-postao-glavni-krivac-za-vecinu-modernih-bolesti/

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by ego(3p on 19.01.2013 at 15:43:00
Ma kdo semena tobaka ?

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 21.01.2013 at 13:12:32

wrote on 19.01.2013 at 15:43:00:
Ma kdo semena tobaka ?

jest se tuuuuud priporočam ... sm že parkrat slišu da ni nemogoče ...

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by ego(3p on 21.01.2013 at 17:31:50

gape wrote on 21.01.2013 at 13:12:32:

wrote on 19.01.2013 at 15:43:00:
Ma kdo semena tobaka ?

jest se tuuuuud priporočam ... sm že parkrat slišu da ni nemogoče ...

Fajn bi blo ene par različnih sort probat , semena virginia tobaka ma en na bolhi . Če jih kdo naroči( lahk tut js) , si jih lahko malo potalamo ...

edit: sem kr poklical prijaznega moža in jih naročil  .

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by ego(3p on 29.03.2013 at 13:18:24
A kadi kdo manitou rjavga organic zgleda ful boljši kot rumeni ,pa papirčke gledam malo če pozna kdo kiri so dobri da so all natural?
Have a nice day [smiley=1grin1.gif]

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Petra. on 29.03.2013 at 15:49:30
ne vem, pr naš hiš prisegamo na pueblota. za papirčke pa so baje rizla micron najboljši (srebrni fensi taki). ;)

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by ego(3p on 29.03.2013 at 18:02:19
Pueblo je dober in brez aditivov in umetnih arom ampak še vedno ni organic gojen manitou green line naj bi bil, tako zatrjuje proizvajalec john.wilh.von.eichen oziroma ta ki ga pakira .Probi za hec enkrat js ga kadim en mesec pa mi je odličn,rizle pa smoking rjave clorine free, rad bi zvohal če so še kje kake orng natural [smiley=1grin1.gif]

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by Petra. on 29.03.2013 at 19:24:04
men tarjave ne sedejo. rizle. taka neka čudna aroma. če hočš bit pa res najbl organic, si nabav fajfo pa organic fajfa tobak, hehe.

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 21.12.2013 at 16:53:49


http://matrixworldhr.wordpress.com/2013/07/16/crna-pusacka-pluca-dobro-smisljena-laz-za-strasenje-pusaca-i-dezinformiranje-javnosti/


Quote:
dr. Sheldona Sommersa, upravitelja patološke laboratorije u bolnici Lenox Hill u New Yorku:

   „Nije moguće, na oko ili mikroskopom, ili na bilo koji drugi poznati način, razlikovati pluća pušača od nepušača. Crna pluća nastaju zbog čestica ugljena, a pušenje cigareta ne donosi čestice ugljena u pluća.“


http://matrixworldhr.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/1-slika-s-paklice-cigareta.jpg?w=593



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http://matrixworldhr.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/pusenje-duhana-pomaze-u-odrzavanju-zdravlja-potvrduju-istrazivanja-koja-su-izbjegla-cenzuru/


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http://www.ljdiaz.com/18-benefits-of-cigarette-smoking/

Title: Re: kajenje pomaga preprečiti pljučnega raka
Post by gape on 17.03.2015 at 21:59:59
pa še po slovensko

http://markom.watoc.org/2014/12/04/kajenje-je-zdravo-tobak-ne-povzroca-raka-ampak-ga-preprecuje/

Kriva je Pipa miru….



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Ameriška krovna agencija za hrano in zdravila (FDA) je v zadnjih 55 letih izdala dovoljenje za kar 600 kancerogenih kemikalij, katere se dodajajo industrijskim cigaretam, medtem ko je ameriško Ministrstvo za kmetijstvo (USDA) proizvajalce industrijskega tobaka zavezala k obvezni uporabi preko 70 različnih toksičnih insekticidov, pesticidov in hebicidov na njih poljih.

Posledično industrijske cigarete vsebujejo zelo malo tobaka, z raznimi dopolnili pa nato povečajo premer rezanega tobaka za 40%.

Indijanci so nekoč izumili tobačno Pipo miru z razlogom – prvi je bil zdravje, drugi pozivanje k miru.

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https://marjankogelnik.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/kajenje-je-zdravo-kaj-je-jeffrey-wigand-odkril-ko-je-razkril-tobacno-industrijo/

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