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Title: Bashar Post by Dejan82 on 11.01.2009 at 01:39:57 Bashar naj bi bil multidimenzijonalo bitje ki kanalizera(govori) prek tipa z imenom Darryl Anka. men je bil ta tip zanimiv zarad humorja in pa nekaterih stvari ki jih razlaga brez da bi jih vsiljeval in prikaozval kot ultimativno rasnico ampak samo pravi da vzameš tiste stvari k se ti zdijo cool: aja prevajati se mi ni dalo... najbol je v originalu :) The PRESENT is not the result of the PAST. The PRESENT is the result of the PRESENT. Creation occurs only in the PRESENT. The PRESENT is the Now result of what you Now believe to be most true for you. Continuity from one present moment to the next is considered "normal", but is actually optional: If you suddenly make a discrete shift in beliefs, you will experience a sudden discrete shift in your Now reality. The PRESENT is the Now result of what you Now believe to be most true for you. As you change your present (by changing your present beliefs), you are likewise changing your past and your future. That is, you are shifting to a totally different hologram which contains its own "past" that is consistent with its "present", and also its own "future" which is likewise consistent with its "present" Judgement and Preference Judgement is invalidating that which you do not prefer. Whenever you judge anything, by focusing your attention on it, you exchange energies with it, and so you "become" that vibration. So you automatically become the very thing you disapprove of. You become that which you invalidate. Preference, on the other hand, is not judgement. Preference is exercising your ability to discern what is really "you", what excites you, and then making choices aligned with the real "you". To prefer one thing does not necessitate invalidating those other things you do not prefer. 1 You exist. (I AM) 2 The All is one, and the One is all. 3 What you put out is what you get back. 4 The only constant in the universe is change - except for the first 3 postulates, which never change. 1 You exist. (I AM) If you exist now, your existence is eternal: You have always existed and you always will exist. You may change form, but you are existing always . So.....relax.....you'll be around forever. 2 The All is one, and the One is all. Just as each tiny section of a hologram contains the information for the entire hologram, likewise we are all inter-connected. Everything is truly just one totally-interconnected "thing". 3 What you put out is what you get back. Physical reality is actually a mirror: Your physical reality is just a reflection of what you most strongly believe to be true. And like a mirror, physical reality will not change unless you change first (change what you most strongly believe). 4 The only constant in the universe is change - except for the first 3 postulates, which never change. So.....might as well get used to eternally-changing Creation. Enjoy the ride! Surf the changes! Trusting your Timing We, as our Higher Self (Over-Soul) actually creates Time (as we experience it). Our Higher Self exists outside Time and Space. It projects portions of itself into specific time/space holograms (time/space matrixes), which we then experience as an incarnation. So, from the point of view of any one incarnation, there is time, there is "past, present, and future". But from the point of view of the Higher Self, there is no Time. It's all happening NOW. It's just one big Eternal-NOW. So keep in mind that our Higher Self is creating the actual "time" that we are experiencing in a linear fashion. When we intensely want to do something now, and it is easily possible to do it, no problem. We just do it. But if we intensely want to do something now, and it is NOT possible to do it NOW, we are then at a critical decision-junction: We can choose to interpret this as "I am not getting what I want." Or, we can choose to interpet this as "I always get what I want. If it's not available now, then there must be an excellent reason for this." Which of these choices we make is critical in determining the outcome, as this choice is equivalent to selecting a BELIEF, and we then experience the outcome aligned with that belief. If you choose to interpret the situation as "I am not getting what I want.", then, sure enough, you will continue to not get what you want. But the alternative is this: Choose to interpret this situation (of not being able to do what you want to do NOW) as "I always get what I want." "I always get what I want. If it's not available now, there must be an excellent reason for this." You see, often our Higher Self "arranges" time in such a way that we do not get what we want when we initially want it, only because it wants us to first accumulate certain experiences, certain skills, certain appreciations, certain connections with other people, certain awarenesses - FIRST! So that when we do get to experience this thing we want, we will then be appreciating it and enjoying it on a much deeper and more profound level. So when you want to do something and it is not immediately available, REMEMBER: Your Higher Self is merely delaying this experience, so you get some other experiences first, so that you may enjoy and appreciate this thing you want EVEN MORE, when you do get it. So when you want to do something and it is not immediately available, TRUST YOUR TIMING. Do not buy into the belief that "I do not get what I want." Instead, remind yourself: "I always get what I want." "I always get what I want. If it's not available now, then my Higher Self must have some experiences it wishes me to have first, so that when I do get what I want, I'll be able to enjoy it even more. I'll be able to enjoy it on a much richer, deeper basis." Feelings & Beliefs Your external physical reality is a feed-back loop, to let you know what your beliefs are. This way, if your external reality is not what you prefer, you can change your beliefs, in order to change your external reality. The Feed-Back Loop: your Beliefs ===> your Perception of reality ===> your Feelings ===> your Thoughts, which then reinforce the original Beliefs Your feelings are the result of your beliefs. Your emotional reactions are the result of what you believe. To discover what your beliefs are, you can work backwards and ask yourself: "What would I have to believe, in order to end up feeling this way?" "What would I have to believe, in order to end up perceiving this type of physical reality?" When you change your beliefs about any particular reality or issue, you instantly also change how you feel about that particular reality or issue. This is why the interpretation (belief) you give any situation determines how you feel about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WR6pZPd7Gw&feature=related <-tale seminar priporočam... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gUfB-VOh3U&feature=related <--o času, frekvenci http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlXhXXxW4Xo&feature=related |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by ajgor on 11.01.2009 at 10:33:26 Dokaj preprosta New age varianta, znana že od M. Kojca. Lp,Igor |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Dejan82 on 12.01.2009 at 10:12:28 ja to kar sem tle gor nalimu so res osnove... Judging Others Q: Sometimes when I’m alone, I feel everything wonderful about me. I mean, I feel the powers and I feel clear… B: Yes. Q: …and then I open the door of my house and I walk outside, and I feel affected by everybody else’s reality. B: May I make a suggestion? Q: I would like that. B: Recognize you are never outside, EVERYTHING you see is from within, everything. It is your entire house and you have decided to co-create it. If you wish to give your power away to someone else and assume that their projected reality has more validity than the one you prefer, so be it. But that comes from within and it is a self-judgement; and it is your opportunity to recognize that you do not have to judge yourself so harshly. Q: Well, I’m not happy with that, I mean I…. B: You are not happy with yourself? Q: I’m not happy, I mean people around me… there are some people that I don’t like and I’m not…. B: Why? Do they exhibit things that you do not like within yourself? Q: Perhaps, I haven’t thought about that, in that way. B: Recognize this idea, as long as you choose to judge another individual’s method of learning what they have chosen to learn, you will be attaching yourself to that mode of learning and becoming the same vibration. “Judge not lest ye be judged,” does not mean that you are being judged from someone else outside, it means, as you tune into the vibration of invalidating another’s path, you invalid yourself. And you attach yourself immediately to that type of a scenario and so feel that same wave vibration. By simply recognizing that you know what you prefer and that what you see around you is simply an observation of what others have chosen for themselves, then that allows you to know that even though you can observe it, it does not affect the vibration you chose to be, unless you chose to let it and create to for yourself. You can ONLY experience someone else’s vibration when you choose to create your own version of it for you, that is the only way you can experience anything. You must chose to create it for yourself by becoming the same idea. And that is why you feel it, because you are judging it. Q: I don’t enjoy it at all. B: Then don’t recognize the vibration as anything that has to do with your reality. Understand, you are making the assumption that enjoying something or not enjoying it is something you have no control over. But you are choosing your point of view. Understand the difference between judgment and preference. Judgement is the invalidation of what you do not prefer. Preference is simply recognizing what is true for you, and by being that vibration and allowing equality for all other choices. Then you will be allowing yourself to experience the support of All That Is in granting you the right to feel as you do, within the vibration you have described and defined yourself to be. You will never feel the effect of anyone else’s choice. Only by making an attachment to them do you identify with them and create that vibration for yourself. That is the only way you can create a lack of enjoyment, by creating the vibration for yourself you see in them. Just because they are doing it doesn’t mean you have to feel it. You follow me? Q: Yes I do, thank you. I have one other question. B: Yes. Q: Is it true that we choose our parents? B: Yes. Q: And do we find out at some point why we choose these particular…. B: That is up to you and is it up to the purpose, it does not have to be conscious. Simply recognize in this way, many individuals are always looking for a specific purpose, rather than allowing what is going on in their lives to be a reflection of the purpose, and simply get on with their lives. Q: I see, that’s true. B: Thank you. Many individuals will choose, in your particular society, to interact with other individuals that will seem to be disharmonious with them, because that gives an individual the opportunity to have something to push against, to become the idea they wanted to be. Therefore, they can recognize that in choosing certain parents they have created an environment out of which they have allowed themselves to explore the idea they have choose to be, so the parents have been of service even while consciously not seeming to have been of service. You follow me? Q: Yes. B: Thank you. Q: Why do we need something to push against in order to be the idea? B: Because that is the way you have created your society to be. You do not, at least up to this point, usually believe that you are self-empowered. So you create reflections that allow you, in a sense, to force yourself into situations where you have to become self-empowered. It is all simply because you have created the idea of forgetting who you are, but this is in your terms, the tail end of that cycle. You do not need that any more and all relationships can be from this point forward quite harmonious. Q: By granting validity to everyone’s path, is there ever a point where someone you care for and believe is in danger of harming themselves and… B: You can share with them your point of view as to what a possible result might be of their actions, but granting them validity is simply knowing that you cannot convince them of anything they do not choose to be convinced of anyway. But you are willing to share a view that at least then lets them know that should they decide, “well wait a minute I would like to choose something else. What did my friend say? Maybe I’ll try that.” At least you will be giving them the opportunity to recognize what options are available to them. That is how you can assist them. Q: Just by gently sharing ideas without.... B: Lovingly, knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that once again, fundamentally, no matter what they choose ultimately they are still all right, because you are eternal, indestructible. You exist now and you always will. Because now always exist, existence is always now. You always have existed, you exist now and always will, because you are All That Is. You follow me? Q: Yes. B: You only transform from idea to idea. Thank you, sharing! |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Kozmicni Poet on 12.01.2009 at 10:19:00 wrote on 11.01.2009 at 10:33:26:
Namišljeni new age materialistični sodnik. Ti vse to že kao poznaš? Pa živiš tudi iz trenutka v trenutek, jeli? Malo bremzaj ta svoj materialistični-duhovni ego, ker ti dopoveduje, da že vse veš, pa se tvoja bit še vedno obnaša na isti stari vesoljno-nepovezan način. |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Alojz in Sandib on 12.01.2009 at 10:29:20 El Pesnik wrote on 12.01.2009 at 10:19:00:
Kakšna sodba-mojstra duhovnosti. Daj Poet pomiri se,te bo ja razneslo,če boš na vse in nase- še naprej tako jezen.Ti ja nihče nič noče,vsaj to spreglej.Hodi in živi svoje življenje. To je verjetno tvoja volja in pravica. Lp Alojz 8-) |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by ajgor on 12.01.2009 at 11:41:05 El Pesnik wrote on 12.01.2009 at 10:19:00:
Poet, ne živim iz trenutka v trenutek. To je verjetno tvoj ideal in ga ponujaš drugim. Za trenutek živiš ti s svojo postopnostjo, ki si tako duhoven, brez materialnega. Ne mešaj mnenja s sodbo. To razliko bi pa že lahko poznal v svoji visoki stopnji duhovnosti. Lp,Igor |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by ajgor on 12.01.2009 at 12:12:18 Dejan, kar sem prebral so neke osnove za lepše življenje. Kakor nek učbenik o tem kako naj bi bilo življenje lepo. Vendar ni dejstev, realnosti. Resnisa pa je realnost. Lp,Igor |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Kozmicni Poet on 12.01.2009 at 13:14:04 wrote on 12.01.2009 at 12:12:18:
Vidiš, moje "mnenje" je pa ponovno to, da ne vidiš globljega potenciala vsake take zadeve. Ker si zadovoljen s svojim trenutnim stanjem in želiš, da bi to tvoje sedanje stanje bilo samozadostno. Saj na nek način je samozadostno tebi, samo ti ne želiš videti, če ni nemara še kaj za vsem tem. Si zadovoljén s tem kar imaš sedaj, pa ne vem če vidiš, da to še ni to. Samo za to se gre, da se ne ustavimo, se mi pa zdi, da se vidva z Alojzem hočeta na tej točki ustaviti. |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Alojz in Sandib on 12.01.2009 at 13:22:43 El Pesnik wrote on 12.01.2009 at 13:14:04:
Tvoja pravica,da tako misliš.Samo midva,pa še kdo pozna večno-sedanje vesoljno samogibanje.In iz tega spoznanja izhaja,da razumeva dejstvo,da resnica biva samo v dimenziji večno-sedaj. Ta vrednost je edina izrazna vesoljna vrednost z nami in v nas. Kar sem zgoraj napisal je ta trenutek že minilo, pa še vedno sem v dimenziji večno-sedaj. Resnica je večno-sedaj v nas in z nami,ni dokončnosti je večno-sedaj. Neandertalec nima iste resnice kot homo sapiens in homo sapiens nima iste resnice kot homo-dei, pa so vsi izraz vesoljne dimenzije večno-sedaj. |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Kozmicni Poet on 12.01.2009 at 13:44:00 Alojz in Sandib wrote on 12.01.2009 at 13:22:43:
Alojz Povsem nepomembno. Ta resnica, ki jo opisujete zgoraj, je samo "resnica trenutnega umskega stanja". Seveda da ima vsak človek "svojo resnico", ker ima vsak človek svoje lastno umsko stanje, prek katerega potem gleda na svet. To se strinjam. Ampak ta vajina trenutna "resnica" se nagiba malo bolj na materialno stran, to je vse, to sporočam. Moja trenutna "resnica" se je pa do pred nekaj časa dosti bolj nagibala na duhovno stran, ampak je zdaj s tem tega konec. Ne vem kako vi Alojz ne morete pri sebi videti, da se dejansko bolj nagibate na materialno stran - to me zanima. |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Alojz in Sandib on 12.01.2009 at 14:03:13 Ja,nagibam se na materijalno plat,ker v njej živim.In kaj bo sedaj? Ali me boš likvidiral? Zatolkel v duhovnost? Ne me šopat s temi otroškimi forami Poet.Pojdi k mami in se malo pocrkljaj.Ja tudi nore gobe jem? In, ali to spremeni stanje tvoje biti ali stanje tvojega ega. Vprašaj se iskreno! Si zmožen? |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Kozmicni Poet on 12.01.2009 at 14:14:28 Alojz in Sandib wrote on 12.01.2009 at 14:03:13:
No, sej se mi je zdelo, da je temu tako. Kaj bo sedaj, sprašujete? Nič. Ker ste mi sporočili, da ste zacementirani v svojem prepričanju, se vam ne da povedati ničesar. Po mojem mišljenju nikakor niste v stanju popolnega ravnovesja, zato se ne morem strinjati z vami, ko se opisujete kot Alojz vseved in podobno, ter da vi točno veste kako bo naprej in podobno. Vidim, da je to le fasada, zato mene takšno učenje ne prepriča, pa tudi neodprtost za predloge je jasen pokazatelj koliko je ura. Torej nasvidenje. Sploh pa se ne sme nagibati ne na materialno ne na duhovno plat - kaj vam to še ni jasno? In vi to tako suvereno izjavite: "nagibam se na materialno plat, ker v njej živim". Larifari, s tem se samo neuravnovešate, ker greste preveč na materialno stran. Potrebno je biti točno v sredini, na pol poti med materialnim in duhovnim polom. Samo vi po svojih lastnih besedah ste bolj na materialnem polu. Prav, tako naj bo, če ne želite slišati, da morate iti na sredo. |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by ajgor on 12.01.2009 at 14:21:10 El Pesnik wrote on 12.01.2009 at 13:44:00:
Poet, ti ki si tako duhoven, bi že lahko vedel, da um deluje samo časovno. Psihološki čas. Če si v umu si v mislih in nisi v večno-sedaj. Malo razmisli, pa potem nekaj ropotaj. Sicer je pa Dejan dal gor post za komentiranje. Ti tega nisi storil, ampak komentiraš naše komentarje. Kje je sedaj resnica in kdo je ves čas v mislih. Ne misli ves čas, kaj si midva mislimva. Lp,Igor |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Kozmicni Poet on 12.01.2009 at 15:15:46 wrote on 12.01.2009 at 14:21:10:
Zanimivo. Torej večno-sedaj nikakor v času? Čas nikakor ni del večnosti? Ja, kje pa je potlej? Ti se tako rad obešaš na koncept časa in še posebej psihološkega časa - kdo ti je pa sploh povedal, da je sploh potrebno nekaj razčlenjevat? Čas je čas, jaz sem prav vesel, da čas je, zakaj naj bi ga pa ne bi bilo? In če čas je in če večno-sedaj je, kaj se potem pritožuješ glede časa? Ti bi kr neki negiral čas, pa še sam ne veš zakaj - samo zato ker si to nekje prebral, da bi bilo pa fino čas negirati. Zakaj že? wrote on 12.01.2009 at 14:21:10:
Seveda, ker so komentarji problem, ne pa tisto kar je dal Dejan gor. Kako boš ti komentiral sončni zahod? Če ga komentiraš, si "krjavelj". ;D Jaz pravim: P.D. še nikakor ni najvišji odraz Stvarstva. Kdor misli, da je, ta bo še spoznal, da P.D. še nikakor ni konec poti. Niti približno. Je pa nek začetek, ljudem pove, da morajo stvar vzeti v svoje roke. To pa ja. Samo Alojz bi to rad naredil za končno ter najvišjo resnico. Tu pa vstopim na sceno jaz in rečem, da P.D. še ni najvišja stvar. Tako. |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by ajgor on 12.01.2009 at 15:27:49 El Pesnik wrote on 12.01.2009 at 15:15:46:
Nič ne razumeš Poet. Tema. Ne govorim o negaciji časa, ampak o razumevanju njega. Sicer je pa to ven razuma in dokler ne razumeš tega, boš še vedno tumbal o neki večnosti. Najvišji odraz stvarstva sem jaz in ne P.D. Ko si že na sceni in se ti dopade pa povej kaj je zate duhovnost. Tako rad govoriš o njej, pa povej dejansko, kaj to zate je. Lp,Igor |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Alojz in Sandib on 12.01.2009 at 20:05:51 wrote on 12.01.2009 at 15:27:49:
Sploh ne želim narediti svoje delo za največjo resnico !!! Resnica je večno-sedaj gibljiva. Zato ti ne moreš dojeti tega dejstva.Tvoja včerajšnja resnica, je veljala včeraj in ne velja danes.Toda tista včeraj je bila enako ujeta v večno-sedaj kot je danes. Je vesoljno samogibljiva zato nikoli ni dokončna,če razumeš vesoljno zakonitost.Resnica je ciklično samogibljiva znotraj večno-sedaj.tako na individualni, kot na kolektivni ravni. Poet razmisli in iztopi iz trona vrhovnega sodnika.Ti si tu da poveš ; kaj Poet? Povej in ne žali-samo lepo povej!!! |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Kozmicni Poet on 12.01.2009 at 20:59:08 Nič ne žalim, samo če se vi zavedate, da vaše delo ni najvišja resnica, potem imejte malo ponižnosti in se še malo razglejte naokoli, ne pa da mislite, da ste že vse spoznali. |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Alojz in Sandib on 12.01.2009 at 22:27:22 Pa saj niti biti ne more-resnica ni dokočnost našega bivanja in tudi dobro,da ni.Je večno-sedanje bivanje! |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Dejan82 on 13.01.2009 at 01:08:29 hahaah o ne no ste že začel, pa fantje a je res tok težko napisat svoje mnenje pa pustit drugmu da pove tud svoj delček resnice ki jo je itak doživel posvoje ali misli da jo pozna.... kr ponavljate stvari jovo na novo in se kregate... poglejte mal stare poste skoz isto pa sej ne morš nobenmu vsilit svoje mnenje.. moje mnenje je da bi se lohka marsikej naučil iz tega, sej vas skoz potegne not v fight in prikazovanje svoje resnice :) mogoče se pa motim, mislm da človk mora dat eno stvar "skoz" v življenju jih osvojit, doživet,.. sej je prov da ne vrjameš vsakmu človeku iz foruma kašn kaos bi šele pol bil :) ali pa da neko zadevo uzameš za končno resnico in ustvariš filter ki ti pol vse ostale stvari popači in jih skoz iz istega zornega kota gledaš in se umejiš in maš sam to 1 resnico :) a ste kdaj opazil kdaj človek raste oz. dviga energijo, ko obsoja pa prepričuje v svojo resnico ali ko ima odprto glavo za druge stvari, pogled iz drugega zornega kota in da vseeno ni vse črno na belem aja sej res resnica je sam ena ali pa ko gre evo bom tko napisu ko se ti dvigne zavest stvari vidš drugač in ko greš spet višji spet mal drugač vidš... P.D. pa nisem bral..mogoče k bo čas |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Dejan82 on 13.01.2009 at 01:51:54 POINT OF VIEW B: Point of view is the only thing, I will repeat this. Point of view is only thing that creates different realities. You follow me? A: Yes, but could you explain further? B: Yes, point of view creates all the differences within one overall general reality, which is also a combination of many different realities. Simply sharing similar ideas to some degree. Each and every one of you by agreeing as you have previous to the creation of this physical reality, to abide by the structure of this physical reality, to play your game, have agreed to a part of a certain equation, a symbolic equation. Now you, because of who you are, because of the idea that you choose to be, express the overall equation in general terms as similar to everyone else’s version of that equation. However you will have your variables within it, and it is those variables that determine that you are not the same as someone else-- even though you may be sharing a similar reality. You are not actually in the same reality, at all. You are your own perspective. The only one reality that all beings in the universe share, truly, is the simple state of beingness itself. Existence is the only thing that is the same for everyone. It is the only one reality that everyone actually does literally share. Everything else is your symbol, your definition of existence, your perspective, your point of view and your created version of existence for the purpose of being and exploring that particular point of view. That particular way of looking at existence. As you have said, “each and everyone of you are all the different ways All That Is has of looking at itself.” But All That Is, is what everyone is. That is the one reality that is true for everyone. The truth is composed of all the truths within it. You all follow along? |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Kozmicni Poet on 13.01.2009 at 10:49:17 Dejan, še kaj nalepi od Basharja. Naj te naši komentarji ne odvrnejo od tega. |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by sašo on 13.01.2009 at 10:56:07 Pa ja, spet copy paste varianta...da bi kdo podal svojo interpretacijo, ga pa ni junaka... |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Kozmicni Poet on 13.01.2009 at 11:26:10 sašo wrote on 13.01.2009 at 10:56:07:
Sašo, ravno naše interpretacije so problem. P.D. je v bistvu samo Alojzeva interpretacija nekega kolažnega znanja, ki ga on sam sedaj prodaja kot suho zlato. Presežimo interpretacije stvari okoli nas in poglejmo kaj ostane potem. Sporočila taka kot od Basharja pa poskušajmo razumeti na intuitivni ravni, ne pa na razumski. |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Alojz in Sandib on 13.01.2009 at 18:04:40 El Pesnik wrote on 13.01.2009 at 11:26:10:
Poet daj povejti svojo varianto. Ne prekopiranih for sem metati.Tvoje lastno spoznanje- je kaj? Nenačelnost,pokvarjenost,hinavstvo,samovšečnost,egoce ntričnost in kozmični nadzemeljski status.Drugega ne zmoreš kot žalit in si v debati na štiri oči gledati v kolena,ker nisi po naravi odprt in samsvoj človek. Si samo pokrita, zahrbtna rihta ,ki se človeku dobrika dokler je z njim in ko gre od njega misli,da mu je dovoljeno vse,ker je neuravnovešen egocentrik. |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Dejan82 on 13.01.2009 at 22:26:04 spet bi se Alojz kregu hehe.. neki me pa zanima, pa mi odgovor če želiš zakaj sploh širiš sporočilo iz P.D. evo neki ti bom napisu ti pa si to vzam kokr hočš? zdej je že kr neki časa odkar maš tuki gor temo P.D. ampak na začetku ko sem to zasledil in pa za moje pojme tvoj vsiljiv pristop podajanja sporočila P.D.ja in pa kako si se odzval na komenatrje drugih se je saj v meni zgodil da me je odvrnil od nadaljnega branja te teme... recimo tale tip Bashar pa je že ne vem kokrat reku da si njegova sporočila ne uzamem za ultimativno resnico ampak naj si vsak vzame kar mu je blizu kar se mu v tistem trenutku na nek način smiselno. Kokr ti rasteš tudi spreminjaš poglede in ti je neki kar ti ni bilo prej smislno kar naenkrat vidiš drugače ali ti postane smislno koščki začnejo dobivat smisel .. Recimo Alojz nekomu očitaš da zna sam žalit... pa da je še ne vem kaj... a v nasljednem stavku žališ ti njega :) a si ti pol kej bolši ? k itak ne bo vsakmu všeč tvoja predstva in tvoj način razlaganja.. mogoče nekdo nebo nikol dojel stvari v tvoji simboliki.. Čist tko probi kdaj z drugim pristopom magar čist tko iz igre pa opazuj kaj se bo zgodil, razn če se vam da skoz kregat :) |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Dejan82 on 13.01.2009 at 22:31:26 evo tko to dela Bashar: pa sej vsi mojstri pa duhovni učitelji so na isti način govoril o stvareh in iz svojga zornega kota :) We simply present you with a different points of view that you can then decide whether or not to incorporate in your reality, should you decide they work for you. It is up to you. We will also discuss many other exercises, tools, techniques, analogies and guided visualizations which all can be instrumental in putting you directly in touch...more direct communication with what you consider your "Higher Self" to be, your higher perspective or point of view. By the time we arrive at that point, many other changes will have taken place within you. You will have been able to start to setup situations and abilities within yourself to break the old patterns, and this will allow you to more easily utilize a more conscious connection to creation...and function from that point of view in your daily lives. |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by ajgor on 13.01.2009 at 22:46:22 Dejan82 wrote on 13.01.2009 at 22:31:26:
Dejan, to so govorili deklarirani učitelji. Že ko jih greš poslušat se postaviš v nek odvisen odnos učenca. Sprejel si odnos učitelj-učenec in potem ti on govori o enakopravnosti in tebi se to dopade. Dopade se ti, ker ti on učitelj, da možnost proste izbire. Ker tega nisi navajen, ga boš začel častiti in mu pritrjevati, kako pravičen da je. Verjetno pa ni debate, ni skupnega razmišljanja, ni preprostih besed. Je neka vzvišenost, ki vse prevzame, saj je on to rekel. Vzvišen odnos v komunikaciji, pa ni enakopravnost, horizontalni red, ampak vertikalni. Glede žaljivk pa, verjetno se ti zdi pošteno, da protestiraš takoj, ne pa po enem mesecu, ko si prirediš vso resnico, posebno še, če nisi uredil svojo zavist. Lp,Igor |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Dejan82 on 13.01.2009 at 22:48:24 Systems of Belief Systems, structures, the idea of that which forms a pattern, a series or cycle of ideas or observations which allow you to create a perception of continuity and cohesion. Systems of belief. Now, we have discussed with you many times the idea that it is your beliefs that create the physical reality you experience. Each and every one of these beliefs is the representation of a particular vibrational resonance, a particular frequency of the fundamental energy patterns that give rise to physical reality, a particular vibration. And so as that vibration is manifested into your physical reality, as it is manifested as your physiological experiential reality -- because it operates on a certain wave length, shall we say, it will have a tendency in physiological reality to gather to itself patterns of vibratory frequency that are similar in nature to the original vibration. In this way it will key into other beliefs, other vibratory patterns that will aggregate around this primary belief so as to set up what appears to be a frame of reference in which to understand and be able to perceive the original belief by surrounding itself with slightly out-of-phase vibrations. Similar but not exact, so that you have a reference point -- some surroundings, some illusion of background -- against which you can see the primary belief. This aggregation, this drawing together of similar belief systems, so as to allow the primary belief to stand out, occurs quite automatically, quite naturally within you -- as you say, quite second nature -- so rapidly, so quickly that you may not even realize, or have not realized, that this is what you are doing to create the seeming background of reality that in your society you have had a tendency to think of simply as, quote/unquote, that’s the way reality is. Your life happens in this reality; in the specific beliefs of your reality (they) manifest themselves against this backdrop of the overall reality. |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Alojz in Sandib on 14.01.2009 at 15:04:24 Dejan82 wrote on 13.01.2009 at 22:26:04:
Dejan82 Preštudiraj se!!! Takoj deliš nasvete!!! Tvoj problem je,da deliš tuje ne lastne!!!Lastnega samospoznanja nimaš,ampak tujega,ki ti je brezdvoma tuj si dovoliš ocenjevati. Zakaj ne poveš lastnih prizadevanj za boljši svet , kaj si naredil konkretno ti- ne tvoji učitelji!!! Ti osebno in samo ti!!! Ko boš prerasel vse avtoritete ,potem se javi in bova enakopravno debatirala. Dokler boš ti meni želel prodati lastno papagajstvo se midva nimava kaj pogovarjati. Nasvete papagajev načelno ne sprejemam, tudi če bi bili približno resnični ne! Lp Alojz 8-) 8-) |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by sašo on 14.01.2009 at 20:02:00 Dejan82 wrote on 13.01.2009 at 22:26:04:
HAHA Dejanček ;D...normalno, ti si vajen božanja in laskanja...pa kaj ne vidiš, da na to struno igrajo že vsi kvazi duhovneži :-? Je prizadet tvoj ego a ne? Seveda prizadet si, ker nisi vajen ponižnosti, nisi vajen niti borbe z argumenti... Poglej svoje življenje...verjemi nič ni na pladnju prinešeno...se moraš potruditi v življenju, če hočeš nekaj doseč... Vsi, ki pljuvajo po Alojzu bi radi od njega nekaj izvedeli in ker jim to ne uspe so razočarani in užaljeni, češ glej ga samo nekaj zajebava...pomislite vendar, če hočeš kaj dobiti moraš tudi dati ;) Alojz ima vendar nekaj za vas, drugače se ne bi vsi vrteli okrog njega...a dovolite vendar, da pride njegova beseda do vaših src...ponavadi se namreč zataknejo njegove besede le v vašem egoizmu in ne grejo dalje :) Lep pozdrav, sašo |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Alojz in Sandib on 14.01.2009 at 20:15:26 Sašo Glej sedaj odzive. Vsi bodo dejali odprlo se je topništvo P.D. Pa to sploh ni res. Nahatee je najbolj lepo povedala;berglo jim je treba spodmakniti,da bodo sami shodili. Mnogi tega ne želijo raje hodijo po treh nogah pa potem lahko še sedijo na dveh stolih-tujih. Malo bomo verni,malo duhovnosti,malo prilizovanja politiki, pa malo splošnega blefa in bomo preživeli kot bubreg v loju. Ja, nč' mislijo; mormo malo igrat,da prežvimo,te težke čase.Kdaj so pa že bili lepi časi za slepe (ne žalim bolnih in slepih),če niso lepi časi ti tu in sedaj. Lp Alojz |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Dejan82 on 15.01.2009 at 18:54:58 itak alojz strinjam se s tabo da se še vedno iščem, učim... sej nakoncu sem res dal nasvet hehe ja pa kaj, drugač sem ti hotu sam povedat kako sem te jest doživel in pa hotu sem izpostavt razliko med tvojim in basharjevim predajanje sporočila, no vidš Sašo ok to je tvoje mnnje tvoj vidik, jest bom pa probu it po poti brez borbe... zdej mogoče bo vse skupi en kurc :) pa tud prov neki se bom nauču iz tega in probu it po drugi... glede žaljivk pa čist tko ali ti osebi na drugi strani sploh na kakršn koli način pomagaš če ga žališ? Jest mislm da ne? In zakaj bi pol delu neki nesmislnega? |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Alojz in Sandib on 15.01.2009 at 19:14:36 Dejan82 wrote on 15.01.2009 at 18:54:58:
To kar si sedaj povedal je že (vsaj zame) dober dokaz,da želiš podati svoje izkušnje. Sam razumem to kot tvojo voljo po spremebi. Ok se strinjam in ti obljubim,če boš podajal zgolj svoje mnenje in svoje videnje med nama ne more biti nič sporno. Ker to isto počnem sam.Tudi v nesmislu, je smisel!!!! Lp Alojz 8-) 8-) |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Robi on 16.01.2009 at 11:07:38 sašo wrote on 13.01.2009 at 10:56:07:
Kako da ne ? S prepiri tudi podamo svojo interpretacijo. ;D |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by sašo on 16.01.2009 at 12:12:24 Robi wrote on 16.01.2009 at 11:07:38:
saj v tem je štos, sploh pa nikjer ne vidim prepira ;) |
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Title: Re: Bashar Post by Alojz in Sandib on 16.01.2009 at 20:00:13 sašo wrote on 16.01.2009 at 12:12:24:
Pa tudi če bi bil nikomur ne škodi. Še ponve se trkajo med seboj, pa ne vedo zakaj.Vemo mi? |
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