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Title: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by Soronwolf on 20.05.2003 at 20:47:46 I was asked by a member of your forums to post some information here about my path. I am not sure if this is the right place to post it, but I was assure d that it would be welcomed - if it is deemed inappropriate please feel free to delete it. I am very glad to discuss any of the points raised here or you can visit www.xenognosis.com and find out more about the Dark path. So What is Dark Spirituality? Dark spirituality is a spiritual path. It is based on the fundamental principle of the ultimate duality of Manifestation into the primal forces of Dark and Light. The Dark being the expansive force, that which pushes outward and apart, the Light being the contracting force, that which pulls inward and together. Whereas the Light path follower focuses on achieving ever-higher degrees of harmony and unity of Being, those of the Dark path aim to remain a separate spiritual Individual for eternity. Isn't the Dark about negative emotions and depression? Emotions are not a factor in spirituality. No emotion can be seen as either Light or Dark. Those of the Light can be angry, hateful and depressed and those of the Dark can be loving, happy and compassionate. So if it is Dark does that mean it is evil? No. Good and evil have nothing to do with Dark spirituality. It is concerned with the nature of reality and ensuring the spiritual progression and benefit of the individual. Does it have anything to do with Devil worship? No. The Devil is a creature appearing in the Christian myth cycle and has no relevance to Dark spirituality at all. So who or what do you worship? We are not concerned with the worship of any being. Spiritual Manifestation, being infinite and eternal, contains an infinite number of sentient spiritual entities of which an infinite amount are sufficiently more powerful than us to be as 'gods' in our estimation. These beings all have their own agendas that may sometimes bring them into contact with human beings in a positive or negative manner. But worshipping such beings is not a part of the Xenognosis approach to Dark spirituality. How do you progress on the Dark path? Progress on the Dark path is achieved through psycho-spiritual training. Which facilitates the development of psychic abilities and the balancing of personal psychological factors, providing a secure base for spiritual advancement. Such training requires the assistance of an experienced and skilled Mentor. Without one the student can not hope to progress in a balanced and safe manner.

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by aryan on 21.05.2003 at 14:53:24 you said that... Quote: We are not concerned with the worship of any being. Spiritual Manifestation, being infinite and eternal, contains an infinite number of sentient spiritual entities of which an infinite amount are sufficiently more powerful than us to be as 'gods' in our estimation. These beings all have their own agendas that may sometimes bring them into contact with human beings in a positive or negative manner. But worshipping such beings is not a part of the Xenognosis approach to Dark spirituality. and then you said that... Quote: Such training requires the assistance of an experienced and skilled Mentor. Without one the student can not hope to progress in a balanced and safe manner. isn't this indirectly said to worship/follow/respect someone like Mentor? so what to follow now, the first advice or the second?

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by himynameis on 21.05.2003 at 16:16:56 To je še večji bulls**t kot običajne spiritualne teze luči. ;)

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by Io on 21.05.2003 at 17:35:08 Hmmm... ;) Io

Title: To: aryan Post by Soronwolf on 21.05.2003 at 20:41:34 I am not quite sure where your confusion arsises. There is a very clear difference between the idea of a teacher and the idea of a god. I am a teacher and am most certainly not 'worshipped' by those I teach - nor would I want to be. Did you 'worship' your teachers when you were at school? Could be this is a matter of semantics? Perhaps you could define what you mean by 'worship' in this context.

Title: To: himynameis Post by Soronwolf on 21.05.2003 at 20:45:51 himynameis wrote on 21.05.2003 at 16:16:56: To je še večji bulls**t kot običajne spiritualne teze luči. ;) Ok..I don't speak your language, but I recognise the B word. Do you have a problem with my philosophy? Perhaps you could be kind enough to elucidate it so we can discuss it properly?

Title: To: Io Post by Soronwolf on 21.05.2003 at 20:50:14 Io wrote on 21.05.2003 at 17:35:08: Hmmm... ;) Io Was there something that puzzled you in my post? If so, I would be more than happy to clarify things for you.

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by tomi on 21.05.2003 at 21:57:24 What ever serves you for evolvement ... Quote: Whereas the Light path follower focuses on achieving ever-higher degrees of harmony and unity of Being, those of the Dark path aim to remain a separate spiritual Individual for eternity.   So, what are the means to achieve that "status"? And what are the benefits (and how do you know, that your soul will agree with this "individuality" after your body & ego dies?) ? I have seen quite some from the both points of view of this duality prospective, and I think that it is all in all the same thing, practiced with different termins and outsidish appearance ... For one half the source of all the good is the Light and for other is Darkness ... So I myself am going in the "middle" path, keeping the good and the logical from all of the "teachings" ... But, as I said, any "path" is the best as long as it does any better to oneself than to filling one's ego ...

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by Io on 21.05.2003 at 22:54:11 My English is not so good. So in the begining this puzzle me. :) But in a general i would like to know, what is your final aim? As i understand  you want to be always apart, seperate from others, individualist? Correct me if i am wrong. If so we have only diferent path. That is ok. ;D By Io

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by b5 on 22.05.2003 at 07:23:09 Quote: author=Soronwolf link=board=general;num=1053456466;start=0#4 date=05/21/03 at 20:41:34]I am not quite sure where your confusion arsises. There is a very clear difference between the idea of a teacher and the idea of a god. I am a teacher and am most certainly not 'worshipped' by those I teach - nor would I want to be... Are you  100% shure? You could be worshipped by those you teach very eazly, liked or not...... ;)

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by Kali on 22.05.2003 at 13:36:00 Welcome, it was me who invited her here. WHY? Because there is so manny of us here, and we all follow different path (even that here most of us follow the light), and I noticed in all that time, that people love to talk about black magic, dark side... But for my self I want to get rid of forjudgements. So, one day I was in delphi forums, and wanted to chat in my favorite room there (and mostly only room where I chat there) REALM of LOVE&LIGHT, and nobody is there. And there I saw forum Dark Spirituality. Obviesly, I had to go there to see how open are this people to share opinions with their white brothers. ;) And she was nice and friendly and I invited her here that we can all get better understanding of taking another way, lets not judge one another and lets learn from eachother. And now I have some questions to Sorronwolf: How do you accept people like us, who follow the white path? Is point of dark spirituality to harm someone on purpose and get benefits from ones pain? I think we are all so pumped up from media about dark side.... So lets talk about everything we are interested, I am sure that we will all stay on path we chosen before, but we can get along with eachother and have better understanding of the whole big picture. :)

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by ten-nej on 22.05.2003 at 15:32:29 [glb]                 DARK IS BASIC![/glb] And this is the Fact. But still I would like to know, what leeds you to a conclussion that dark is a forece (like light) and what is ment with staying separated spiritual individuum. In my opinion, if someone can stay separated from light, shurly cannot stay separated from dark to. This seems to me quite an solipsistic point of wiev.

Title: Re: To: himynameis Post by himynameis on 22.05.2003 at 16:51:27 Soronwolf wrote on 21.05.2003 at 20:45:51: Ok..I don't speak your language, but I recognise the B word. Do you have a problem with my philosophy? Perhaps you could be kind enough to elucidate it so we can discuss it properly? Ok, sorry, here's the translation: This is even a bigger bulls**t than the usual spiritual light talk. ;) And for further enlightenments sake... Today, every human being sorts and organizes his reality by Cause and Effect. Thus, Cause and Effect is the driver of Religion, Politics, Science, Culture, Economics and Law. Chew on this one for awhile. :)

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by bp on 22.05.2003 at 17:34:08 As far as I can see (which may not be very far), his/her main difference to other "spiritual paths" is in emphasizing your individuality, the difference between you and the others and that your own good stands above all. What you will actually get from him/her as a teacher is, hmm how should I put it, an increase in your need for and in your actual sense of control (which does not neccessarily mean that you will be in control, but you will at least feel as if you are in control), an inflated ego (whatever that means to you), which should help you to better deal with the uncertainties in common situations which you encounter every day. This sounds like excatly the opposite of what most of the stuff discussed round here emphasises, which is: "Service, service and more service and in the meantime we will try to crush your will (ego?), so that you won't  feel too bad about it." The darkness and the lightness, the division of energies and stuff like that are all part of a sales pitch, and by the way quite a nice one though. :) bp P.S. If you need a teacher from that kind of "dark" side, go visit dr. Rugelj, he is by far superior to all those who speak of "division of energies", "dark forces" etc.

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by himynameis on 22.05.2003 at 17:42:01 Rugelj, as many others, is driven by Cause & Effect driver, which is not a proper way to live. But I'm not saying I don't understand him. I do. :)

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by bp on 22.05.2003 at 18:11:57 Would you be so kind, and explain what do you mean by "driven by Cause and Effect driver". Goal oriented perhaps? Why is this not a proper way to live? And do you happen to know a proper way to live? :) bp

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by himynameis on 22.05.2003 at 18:18:14 wrote on 22.05.2003 at 18:11:57: Would you be so kind, and explain what do you mean by "driven by Cause and Effect driver". Of course. :) http://www.neurosemantics.com/Articles/Cause_Effect.htm

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by bp on 22.05.2003 at 18:59:26 himynameis wrote on 22.05.2003 at 18:18:14: Of course. :) http://www.neurosemantics.com/Articles/Cause_Effect.htm hmm, the authors are saying they are trying to show, that cause and effect is a major contributor to "human insanity", they are proving the following: - cause and effect is deeply embedded in our language structures - there are several difficulties and even theoretical impossibilities, to always connect two events in a cause-effect relation - they are restating a fairly common position (axiom?) of modern psychology, that no other person can cause an emotion in any other person, and that emotions are your own responsibility They do not however IMO, at least not in this article, show that speaking (thinking) of others as causes of our emotions, is something which could lead to or is precondition to (=causes) madness or insanity. Cause and effect are on the other hand IMO a great help when acquiring and structuring knowledge, a tool of such importance, that it has become deeply embedded into our language (even so much, that it can create problems sometimes). So, what has this to do with a proper way of living? bp P.S.: I do also not see a connection to dr. Rugelj though.

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by himynameis on 22.05.2003 at 19:56:07 Any "religion" is cause and effect driven, as the article states. I see some similarities, that's all. :)

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by bp on 22.05.2003 at 20:15:27 himynameis wrote on 22.05.2003 at 19:56:07: Any "religion" is cause and effect driven, as the article states. I see some similarities, that's all. :) Umm the article is stating that a religion can be cause and effect driven, without explaining what that means, without any argument whatsoever. So what has this to do with a proper way of living? What similarities do you see? bp

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by tomi on 22.05.2003 at 21:48:25 Kaj sta pozabla, da sta na slovenskem forumu whatsoever? Pustita da človek sploh odgovori, da ne bo čisto zmedena...  ;)

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by gape on 23.05.2003 at 00:00:47 en moj star text na to temo gape wrote on 05.10.2002 at 21:42:18: zdej temu jest rečem 'tačrni' če bi se drznu sklicevat na text o nočni magiji http://www.geocities.com/nocna_magija/main.html   bi lahko reku da so tačrni nekako izšli iz drugega pola boga, tistega pola, ki je bil potreben da se ustvari materija - yin-yang, so tudi nasledniki zmaja (dinoidi?) - yin sistem. oni so ustvarili zemljo in ji vdahnili dušo. so namreč najrazvitejša rasa v sistemu. pol je pa pršla na sceno ena huda yang rasa (nibiru?), ki si je ustvarila sužnje - ljudi. sužnje rabi, da ji kopljejo minerale predvsem (tudi mohorič). 'Zemlja je del Skrajnega Yin Sistema. To je bilo zato, da bi bogovi lahko živeli kot bogovi. Starodavni Zmaj ni dovolil take ostudnosti in je človeškim telesom vdihnil duše in človeška rasa je imela svoje začetke kot Yin rasa z dušo. Yang bogovi so bili resnično razburjeni zaradi tega, kajti človeška rasa je postala čuteča Yin rasa in jo je bilo treba obravnavati kot tako. Starodavni Zmaj je Stvarnik Zmaj tega Sveta je Nočna Sila. Zmaj tega Sveta je Yin.' in yang scena naj bi bile več ali manj vse religije kao belo če je yin črno ampak umes je pomoje uletel še ene par 'ras' na zemljo. tko bi lahko reku da zemljani izhajajo iz zmaja, ki jim je dal dušo, ustvarili - naredil so jih pa tabeli - amapak samo do razumskih bitij (robotov) - padli angel (tačrn) jih je pa dokončal, saj je ja del najrazvitejše rase v sistemu. padli je pa samo zato ker je blo treba tudi ta pol ustvart, če si hotu materijo ustvart. ampak to use sploh nima veze to je vse sistem, ki izhaja iz praznine - iz boga in yin in yang sta del boga - iz njega izhajata - in tja hočmo! vsi v sistemu! proti temu stremimo! in zdej in tabeli in tačrni imajo popolnoma iste tehnike kako zmagat - kako pridobit zavest in izravnat karmo. point je samo v tem na katero stran se postaviš, u bistvu, point je samo v tem da se yin in yang združita v ENO. tehnike so iste, vsaj kolkr jest štekam, k se točno spomnem OTO ... iste tehnike, isto bistvo ... drugi izrazi ... če probam na sanje nalimat tole ... če si bil nekoč to (črni mag) morš bit zdej verjetno beli mag, da boš izniču karmo ... je pa hec v tem da črni dela vse isto kar dela beli ... samo da za drugo stran ... en dela za stvarnika jaza, drug pa za stvarnika nad-jaza, en za razum, drug pa za srce, en za ego, en za jaz sem ... je un text na povezavi res razumljivo napisan ... ne vem pa če je to sceno mislu tale volk model ... Soronwolf is this what you are talking about similar to this http://www.geocities.com/nocna_magija/main.html?

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by formless on 25.05.2003 at 13:38:17 Vprašanje, koliko ima yin-yang pojmovanje v Nočni magiji veze z materija-zavest pojmovanjem teh dveh polov. V Nočni magiji je govora o yin in yang rasah, ni pa povedano, kaj/kakšne so te rase. Jaz si pod yin (materialni pol) predstavljam devski svet, elementale,... pod yang (zavestni pol) pa mineralni, rastlinski, živalski, človeški, nadčloveški svet. V Nočni magiji o tem ni govora. Z yin-yang preprosto označi dve domnevno nasprotujoči si rasi v vesolju. Domnevam, da je Nočna magija zelo nepopoln sistem, ki je prišel izpod peresa enega američana, ki je imel in še ima (vsaj kolikor sem slišal o njem) precej problemov v življenju. Kako je lahko zemlja del skrajnega Yin sistema, ko pa vemo (če pravilno razumemo yin-yang), da v pojavnem kozmosu nobena stvar ni skrajno Yin in skrajno Yang. Kar pa se tiče bele in črne strani. Da, nekatere tehnike so iste, razlika pa je v namenu. Bela stran je usmerjena k višjemu jazu (oz. bogu, saj je eno in isto), črna stran pa v ego, v osebnost. Nekje sem zasledil, da je ponavadi razlika, kam te bo odneslo v tem, koliko imaš odprto temensko čakro. Če je bolj zaprta, potem ti ostane volja osebnosti, ega (neodkupjene materije), ki jo želiš uresničiti. Če pa temenska čakra malo bolj prevaja, začutiš voljo in namen višjega jaza, ki je usmerjena nad ego. Katera pot je torej prava, nikoli ne bomo mogli razjasnit mentalno, ampak je to stvar posameznika, da razreši sam s sabo.

Title: Re: Dark Spirituality FAQ Post by gape on 25.05.2003 at 13:55:16 lepo si napisu formless ...

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